NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual

hra146 · #1 11-24-2007, 09:52 PM

After all these years I still have no clue how to confidently lay down Queens without being weaktight.

Villain was loose, relatively aggressive but didnt do much preflop raising.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($25.35)
Hero ($65.65)
Button ($124.75)
SB ($27.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7.5, Button raises to $19, Hero calls $11.50.

Turn: ($48.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $58.75

Should I fold this flop immediately? Should I rather c/c? c/r?

Would my line be the same if the turn was a 2d?

Gullanian · #2 11-24-2007, 09:54 PM

I reraise pre flop
Then I fold to another raise.

As played I reraise the flop every time. Also I'm not concerned about the king, so I lead out the turn, or CR turn.

I think that makes it a bit easier to play.

Gullanian · #3 11-24-2007, 09:55 PM

I don't understand folding the flop?

hra146 · #4 11-24-2007, 09:59 PM

Sorry, maybe my description of villain wasnt so clear. He really didnt raise much preflop. In half an hour maybe one or two hands. I hadnt seen him 3bet at all.

Once he 3bets I range him somwhere around TT+, AQ+

Gullanian · #5 11-24-2007, 10:02 PM

Ah right ok. I stil RR pf, and fold to any more raising. That sort of hand is generally easier to play pf imo

Lego05 · #6 11-24-2007, 10:03 PM

If you don't 4bet pre-flop then check/raising the flop is better than leading.

Nick C · #7 11-25-2007, 06:19 AM

If Villain's preflop range is really AQ+, TT+, then you're going to be ahead about 2/3 of the time on that flop.

But that changes, of course, once he flop raises you, and, to be honest, I basically just think it's really hard to know what to do with your QQ versus a seemingly passive preflop player who is 3-betting for the first time in ~50 hands.

monkover · #8 11-25-2007, 07:27 AM

I b/f the flop...most villains at 50nl are just too straightforward thus they don´t make moves in 3bet pots.

hra146 · #9 11-25-2007, 07:49 AM

Well, okay. Lots of different views but it seems like its very close either way. Makes me feel less of a donk now.

Profish2285 · #10 11-25-2007, 10:29 AM

Honestly it really depends on villain. Against an unknown like I said my default is to call down. Against an aggro reg Im c/r this flop and getting it in anyway I can.