200NL: step-by-step with KQo

[Montezuma21]

this is what i was trying to get at. it seems to me that floating is in these circumstances the vastly superior play:
- we have more or less the same F.E against villain's range if we call flop and bet turn (what hands fold to a flop raise that call a turn bet?)
- it allows us to see the turn card before committing any more chips.
-if villain pushes over our flop raise, we're in pretty bad shape, and villain will frequently double barrel with hands that crush us, allowing us to get away easy on the turn

[Check_The_Nuts]

yeah but if you float too often he's going to double barrel/check raise/snap you off some too. Adjust and readjust etc. Thats why I can't rlly say how often I raise call/fold I have no idea.

[Colombo]

Well from what I've experienced lately nobody believes floats anymore. If you raise and he calls, then just bet the turn and think of it as an advanced float. If he 3bets ya then just muck, not a big deal imo.

[Montezuma21]

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yeah but if you float too often he's going to double barrel/check raise/snap you off some too. Adjust and readjust etc. Thats why I can't rlly say how often I raise call/fold I have no idea.

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i don't think villain is ever C-R bluffing the turn here, which would make a float more appropriate, no?

also, i don't think he double barrels all that often.

[Jamougha]

Raising has more fold equity vs TPWK, second pair, and anything he may hit on the turn. It usually buys us 2 cards vs hands that call rather than one. It is very good for metagame.

[Montezuma21]

well, i called: here's part deux:

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $323.70
BB: $203.00
UTG: $372.05
MP: $200.00
CO: $424.63
Hero (BTN): $428.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $7.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00

Turn: ($41) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero?

i assume you bet here. how much?

[Montezuma21]

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Raising has more fold equity vs TPWK, second pair, and anything he may hit on the turn. It usually buys us 2 cards vs hands that call rather than one. It is very good for metagame.

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thank you very very much. if called, do you check a blank turn as standard?

[thac]

I think you have to bet here, but you're not really repping anything by just calling the flop.. I mean, what do you play like this? I bet 28 just out of principle, but the 2c didn't change anything so you're only getting him to fold air. I guess it depends on villain's cbet percentage whether or not I bet here.

If we would've raised the flop this would be an easy check behind fwiw.

[Jamougha]

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Raising has more fold equity vs TPWK, second pair, and anything he may hit on the turn. It usually buys us 2 cards vs hands that call rather than one. It is very good for metagame.

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thank you very very much. if called, do you check a blank turn as standard?

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Without reads yes. Mostly weaker players don't know how to stop bluffing. People should be assuming that you're the same if they don't know you, and so shouldn't be using a call flop/fold turn line that much. Also people just freaking hate to fold. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

With appropriate meta you should be firing some of the time and checking some of the time.

[pokerchap]

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yeah but if you float too often he's going to double barrel/check raise/snap you off some too. Adjust and readjust etc. Thats why I can't rlly say how often I raise call/fold I have no idea.

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i don't think villain is ever C-R bluffing the turn here, which would make a float more appropriate, no?

also, i don't think he double barrels all that often.

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i agree. A multitabling TAG will rarely double barrel or c/r on the turn.

I think all 3 plays are fine, but i lean more towards calling/raising than folding and usually raise flop to help with image.