2nd Chance: Need A Calling Range v Shaun

[KneeCo]

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C, he's a horse of mine so I am more likely to play tighter vs him in the bb

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I'm pretty sure playing differently against someone because you own a piece of their action is a serious faux-pas.

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when i figured out a calling range last night it was like.. almost exactly the same as DJK's. Think I left out J4s and 89o but other than that it was the same. folding 44-22 here would be really bad imo.

edit: also, folding any ace....

wtf people????

[gobboboy]

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55+, A7+, K8+, QJ.

If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things.

Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that.

I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel.

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I once heard from someone that "less than 1% of 1% of players can fold when they are a 55/45", I am pretty sure that folding 44 here at these odds is a bigger mistake.

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Not if you think that shaun's range is as tight as I think it probably was, depending on game dynamics.

[Pudge714]

Shaun,
The fact that you have been playing tight is pretty irrelvant, it is very relevant vs. an unknown, but versus you it should probably be a reason to call wider since you have a tight image and are capable of exploiting it.

Also irt to c ZOMG COLLUSION

Gobbo,
I know it is just a rough range, but not factoring in suitedness is really bad against 100% A2s = A6o. Also it's pretty tough to find range where K8o> QTs

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55+, A7+, K8+, QJ.

If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things.

Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that.

I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel.

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I once heard from someone that "less than 1% of 1% of players can fold when they are a 55/45", I am pretty sure that folding 44 here at these odds is a bigger mistake.

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Not if you think that shaun's range is as tight as I think it probably was, depending on game dynamics.

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If i had to say shaun shoves too tight, or too loose.... i'd definitely lean towards too loose.

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i think i could be convinced to fold a lot of the J high hands that only have like 42-43% equity... but A2o should have almost 50% here, and that would be reallly bad, imo.

[mastr]

<3 how everyone is way too absurdly tight at M of 4 and less and will continue to make all my money from that fact alone considering I actually suck at actual poker.

[IWEARGOGGLES]

Shaun pushes too wide.

I like to call too wide.

[Todd Terry]

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55+, A7+, K8+, QJ.

If you lose your stack takes a big blow and you lose the ability to do multiple things.

Compounded with the fact that if Shaun really is shoving that wide of a range you could probably find a much better spot in the next orbit or two, but I don't really think he's shoving as wide a range as you guys are thinking. In a vacuum I think it's fine but this has everything to do with game dynamic and it's hard to account for that.

I'm going with feel and that's the range I get from feel.

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This range is cEV neutral if Shaun is pushing the top 7.5% of hands. I think most people in this thread think he's pushing closer to 75% than 7.5%. I'll pass up a marginal spot for 1/2 my stack for the reasons you stated, but A2o isn't marginal here IMO.

[stevepa]

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C, he's a horse of mine so I am more likely to play tighter vs him in the bb

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I'm pretty sure playing differently against someone because you own a piece of their action is a serious faux-pas.

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yeah seriously, wtf?

Also, I think I tend to fold too much in these spots, thanks (djk in particular) for the posts.