weird situation. is there any ethics consideration here?

[TxRedMan]

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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dumbest post ever

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wow, you've never really played poker in a casino, have you?

dumbest post ever. ever ever.

happens ALL the time, and is done by good players and bad players alike.

some people are so anti-variance they'd rather book a $1000 win 100% of the time as opposed to a $1700 win 70% of the time. especially players taking shots, players on limited bankrolls, players who are prone to tilt, players who are friendly with one another, whatever.



-Tex



edit: i wonder what the response to this thread would be if OP had KK and was pondering a call drawing dead in the same spot with the same guy before this hand comes up- b/c the opponent in this hand has no idea OP has the nuts, guarantee he thinks he has the best hand w/o a doubt, and if you assign mike a range of hands here that he's likely to play this way I guarantee you his opponents actions are saving mike a ton of money over the long run. it just so happens he did it when it was nut vs. second nut. [censored], the pots already big.

my line here is to make sure everything is jovial and friendly, turn my hand faceup, drag the pot, and keep things cool. it's likely the guy is a losing player, and you dont want this kind of losing player to leave the game or feel like his generosity was [censored] on and taken advantage of and subsequently not come back. mike is a reg i believe, and developing a rapport with certain touristy type players is worth much more over the long run than breaking them for an extra grand or two in one hand.

[censored], do you guys not have any idea how to act professional at the table? oh right, you all play online. lol, srsly, think about it.


whatever the cliche is, shear a sheep a million times, skin him once.


-Tex

[Daliman]

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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dumbest post ever

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wow, you've never really played poker in a casino, have you?

dumbest post ever. ever ever.

happens ALL the time, and is done by good players and bad players alike.

some people are so anti-variance they'd rather book a $1000 win 100% of the time as opposed to a $1700 win 70% of the time. especially players taking shots, players on limited bankrolls, players who are prone to tilt, players who are friendly with one another, whatever.



-Tex



edit: i wonder what the response to this thread would be if OP had KK and was pondering a call drawing dead in the same spot with the same guy before this hand comes up- b/c the opponent in this hand has no idea OP has the nuts, guarantee he thinks he has the best hand w/o a doubt, and if you assign mike a range of hands here that he's likely to play this way I guarantee you his opponents actions are saving mike a ton of money over the long run. it just so happens he did it when it was nut vs. second nut. [censored], the pots already big.

my line here is to make sure everything is jovial and friendly, turn my hand faceup, drag the pot, and keep things cool. it's likely the guy is a losing player, and you dont want this kind of losing player to leave the game or feel like his generosity was [censored] on and taken advantage of and subsequently not come back. mike is a reg i believe, and developing a rapport with certain touristy type players is worth much more over the long run than breaking them for an extra grand or two in one hand.

[censored], do you guys not have any idea how to act professional at the table? oh right, you all play online. lol, srsly, think about it.


whatever the cliche is, shear a sheep a million times, skin him once.


-Tex

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While your sheep saying rings true, I don't think there's many times Slim let a sheep he didn't see very often just go away with a chill if he had a blade in hand.

Really, the best tack here has been said: Shove on him, and let him figure it out for himself. If he's not smart enough to, then it's on him. You have given him the info he was looking for, and as has been said many times this thread, he shouldn't be off the hook just because he wanted to be a nice guy. He wasn't being so nice any of the 2 times he raised.

[Torello]

Yeah the 'keeping the tourist happy' argument is kind of self-defeating. If he's never going to play with the guy again, that argues more for maxing the EV of the current hand.

Regarding the argument that the card-showing was more likely to save Mike lots of money than cost him. The Swede was the one who made the non-poker move. Imo when you do something non-standard, even with good intentions, you have to assume all the risk. You can't impose any of the risk on someone else, even if it's net +EV for them, because it's not their choice.

The Swede chose to save Mike lots of money all of those times that Mike had a great but lesser hand, but it's simply not fair to ask Mike to assume the risk on the one time he has the better hand, because it wasn't Mike's choice.

[RichGangi]

Very interesting situation OP, thx for sharing. FYI-I think you def. did the right thing here, and handled it very well. NH.

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i think what u did was admirable, i would prob show then push... not sure if i should be surprised by the responses in this thread

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lol

[LyinKing]

It's nice to be human sometimes. And rise above the absurdity of this game. I always remember this one particular session: I was getting absoutely buried, beat after beat. To the point of legit empathy from my tablemates. Near the end of the session, I was readying a massive bet when the guy next to me told me to keep it, flashing his quad 10s. Nothing wrong with the occasional pang of humanity.

[g-p]

wouldnt it be sick if we had another hand with 6 in it, shove, and show him the 6 ?? id probably do that if i could then just post it in bbv if he called anyway

[TStoneMBD]

wow, so funny you should post this. same thing happened to me a week ago.

i was playing 20/40 at commerce and bruce had T8. my hand was KT on a board of 79JQ. with deep stacks he raised me on the turn and i said "flopped it?" so that when i shoved it makes my hand look weak. he then goes to show me his hand and i say "dont do that" knowing he was going to show me T8. i ended up shoving and he called and i felt like a complete dick, especially with my "flopped it" line and him being so generous as to try and save me several thousand.

he was so nice about it though

[riverboatking]

mike,

pretty sure bruce never is actually trying to save anyone money.
although he doesnt need anymore of it he LOOOOOOOOOOOOVES stacking people, and no matter how much he likes someone he's not going to try and "save em" anything.
trust me.

[TStoneMBD]

rbk, he actually turned his cards face up and if i didnt turn my head away i would have seen he had T8.