Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Poker > Heads Up Poker
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-24-2007, 08:52 PM
doug1616 doug1616 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 21
Default HUSNG variance question

I started a 400 game challenge at 5 buck turbos awhile back.
Just completed it about a week ago. 241-159. Since then im at 42-54. Was planning on moving up but.... is this variance or do I need to think things over.... i feel like im getting owned.....400 should be an okay sample for sure and according to a binom calc it should be near to impossible for a 60 percent player to run this bad. Is there some sort of i dunno meta variance in husngs that cant be accounted for by analysing them as a sort of virtual coinflip.
thanks,
doug
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-24-2007, 09:00 PM
ChicagoRy ChicagoRy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: husng training site
Posts: 2,083
Default Re: HUSNG variance question

A few things..

Your sample isn't perfect, you could be a lesser winner.

You could have tilted after a few losses.

Are you sure a 60% winner can't lose 12 buyins over 100 games? It sounds like it would be super rare but I can't imagine it being one of those "1 in a 100k" things.

I would play 5s until you get your 12 buyins back and then step up (provided you have the br). Play a few hundred 10s and take a look at your winrate.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-24-2007, 09:31 PM
Indiana Indiana is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Mateo, California
Posts: 6,856
Default Re: HUSNG variance question

[ QUOTE ]
I started a 400 game challenge at 5 buck turbos awhile back.
Just completed it about a week ago. 241-159. Since then im at 42-54. Was planning on moving up but.... is this variance or do I need to think things over.... i feel like im getting owned.....400 should be an okay sample for sure and according to a binom calc it should be near to impossible for a 60 percent player to run this bad. Is there some sort of i dunno meta variance in husngs that cant be accounted for by analysing them as a sort of virtual coinflip.
thanks,
doug

[/ QUOTE ]

if you want to get answers to this kinda stuff i highly recommend you read chapters 1-6 of mathematics of poker. This exact problem is laid out very well in either chapter 4 or 5 and requires you to use the sampling distribution of your data witha normal approximation. I'd do the math but gotta go pick my wife up at airport.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-24-2007, 09:50 PM
doug1616 doug1616 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 21
Default Re: HUSNG variance question

thanks, i used

http://onlinestatbook.com/java/binomialProb.html
N=sample size P=true win rate and the fields down the bottom measure number of sucessful trials ie wins. If ive understood it correctly.

to come up with the numbers i was just wondering if it is correct to analyse each sng individually or whether distributions of rare events like say flush over set boat over flush KK vs TT have more of an impact in how you analyse the games. Cause rare events are obviously more streaky. Whenever i read about variance it seems there is always more of it than people expect. MoP is on my to buy list though.

Thanks,

Doug
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-25-2007, 11:32 AM
dippy111 dippy111 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: College of William and Mary
Posts: 114
Default Re: HUSNG variance question

yeah, if you really have a 60% winrate then the chances of being down 12 buyins over 100 games is about 1/1000. Even if your true winrate is slightly lower it's very unlikely. What is likely, is that you tilted. Tilt is a HU player's worst enemy, and is a real winrate killer.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.