raise or call?

dumb ox · #1 03-13-2006, 09:48 AM

Villain quite loose and aggressive. Does some weird uncharacteristic stuff, such as open limping on button.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero

sean c · #2 03-13-2006, 10:20 AM

I call the turn and river or bet if checked to. If the board had more draws and i thought his donk was a semi bluff i would be more inclined to pop him on the turn.

dumb ox · #3 03-13-2006, 12:52 PM

In terms of BB:

if he's bluffing - raise, 1; call, 2

if he has q or 8 - raise, 3; call, 2

Sometimes he'll check/fold the river when bluffing, and sometimes he'll fold the q or 8. When he has a 2, we lose the same by raising or calling.

Since he's probably bluffing here more often than he has the q or 8, calling is probably better.

XCEO · #4 03-13-2006, 12:55 PM

He never has the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'm calling the turn and raise the river.

dumb ox · #5 03-13-2006, 01:02 PM

oh right. Forgot about this line...

This allows him to bluff if he has nothing and still lets us get paid 3 bb by q and 8. So this is the winner, unless I'm missing something. Thanks.

GetThere1Time · #6 03-13-2006, 01:41 PM

I just raise the turn. This guy rarely ever has the 2 here. I understand the concept of letting him bluff off his chips but I think there are still merits to raising the turn.

He might be so bad you still get paid by tons of worse hands, lower PPs, A-high.

A maniac is more likely go crazy with a bluff on the turn rather than the river so you might get him to 3-bet bluff here. I don't mind calling down a 3-bet on the turn vs a lunatic.

Also raising this turn will discourage future turn donks which will help the hero a lot more when he doesnt have such a strong hand. Even LAGs can be taught tricks.