10NL - JJ in 3bet pot...

Pants Optional · #1 08-09-2007, 11:37 PM

whats my line with this flop. doi i really c/f?

villain was unknown at the time

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UTG ($5.45)
MP ($32)
CO ($11.20)
Button ($0.25)
Hero ($9.90)
BB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.3, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25 (All-In), Hero raises to $1.2, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.90.

Flop: ($2.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

tehDiceman · #2 08-10-2007, 12:15 AM

you have to bet the flop since it was 3bet PF. you still have showdown value and if UTG has a tight raising range, he probly has a whiffed AK or PP. i think you are betting and probably calling a push since villian is short and his raise would basically be a minraise.

Mr_Pathetic · #3 08-10-2007, 12:26 AM

If you bet flop nothing calls you but what beats you I think. So I would c/c this flop and if no A or K shows on turn shove there. If another Q hits turn that would be perfect as that would greatly reduce chance of villain having Q but I think anything other then a A or K on turn is a shove. You can bet flop but idk how many TT-99 or AK hands are coming along. Maybe T9. Also checking flop allows for AK or AJ to fire a cbet.

Jzo19 · #4 08-10-2007, 12:31 AM

bet around 2-2.25 ,shutdown if called or raised

Pants Optional · #5 08-10-2007, 12:32 AM

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bet around 2-2.225 ,shutdown if called or raised

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look at his stack, if he raises i have to call

klownage · #6 08-10-2007, 12:32 AM

Bet/fold.

Pants Optional · #7 08-10-2007, 12:37 AM

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Bet/fold.

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see above reply

Jzo19 · #8 08-10-2007, 12:49 AM

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bet around 2-2.225 ,shutdown if called or raised

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look at his stack, if he raises i have to call

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why? if you bet and he goes all in you get 3.5 to 1 on your call and against AA,KK,AQ,AK,kq ...you have 28 percent equity which makes it a fold ...(this depends on what range u want to give him ofcourse) and if his range is wide enough its a profitable call ...that plus fold equity , makes betting the flop +ev

LegendLength · #9 08-10-2007, 01:24 AM

Bet 1.50 then shutdown.

tehDiceman · #10 08-10-2007, 01:25 AM

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bet around 2-2.225 ,shutdown if called or raised

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look at his stack, if he raises i have to call

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why? if you bet and he goes all in you get 3.5 to 1 on your call and against AA,KK,AQ,AK,kq ...you have 28 percent equity which makes it a fold ...(this depends on what range u want to give him ofcourse) and if his range is wide enough its a profitable call ...that plus fold equity , makes betting the flop +ev

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seeing the numbers makes it appear to be a -ev call depending on villians range if villian raises AI. however, if this happened near the beginning of my session i'd probly just flip him for it anyway since he is a shorty. ya gotta gamble sometimes.