Pushing versus just raising postflop.

[Aquadougs]

I've seen that many of you pushes instead than raising to the normal size (compared to the bet and original pot), when the SPR is smaller than usual. Why do you do it? Eventually: what is the math?

This is a typical situation:

NL100:
Preflop: You raise to 4 OTB and BB 3bets to 14, only you call.
Flop: T52 twotone
The pot is 28,5 and the effective stacks is X and SPR is X/28,5. He cbets 21 (0,75p) and makes the total pot 50bb's.

You decide to raise. How small should his stack be (or SPR be) to push instead of just raise? Does your holding change this border?

[thac]

I'd say we'd have to be 125bb+ for me to not shove.. but like he's gonna call a push with the same frequency he's gonna call a smaller raise. He knows he's not gonna have FE unless we're pretty deep because there's just no way we'll fold for like ~30 more into a pot that would be just over 200bb unless we have complete air.

[Aquadougs]

125bb at flop? Which will say (125+14=) at least 139bb deep before any action at preflop?

[Kala1928]

In this situation he would have to have around 170bbs to not push because with smaller stacks any pot sized raise is near allin and committing anyway. Any valueraise should probably be a shove while some weird air bluffs could be smaller.
wtf is SPR ?

[JFsports]

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SPR ?

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stack to pot ratio i think

[Chicago Twister]

Its a matter of how much he would have behind on the turn if you raise smaller than push. If he would have less than 1 turn PSB, generally just push instead.

[Aquadougs]

Thanks!

What if the flop-texture was completely dry?

SPR = stack to pot ratio. SPR 1 = Effective stacks = potsize.

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damn it. bot makers are funny

[RockRattler]

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damn it. bot makers are funny

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thats exactly what I was thinking reading this. Sorry to OP if thats not the case.

[Aquadougs]

What do you mean?

I try to remove leaks and become a better player. Wouldnt a post like this help me on the way?