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Old 01-02-2007, 04:29 PM
Tom Bayes Tom Bayes is offline
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Default Other Poker FAQ, Version 2.0

FAQ version 2.0.

Welcome to Other Poker, the nicest community on 2+2. The FAQ and guidelines is a revision of the original written by Tapirboy. The Other Poker regulars are a little strange, but most of us don't bite.

Other Poker is here for discussion of casino poker games not covered in the rest of 2+2. Common discussion topics here are Triple Draw Lowball, Five Card Draw, A-5 Lowball, Kansas City Lowball, Crazy Pineapple, Badugi, and mixed games, but we're always interested in other variants as well. We like Razz, but it’s actually discussed in the stud forum. Strangely enough, the Pot-Limit Omaha forum is also the place to discuss Limit Omaha High. Non-casino variants such as Baseball and Follow the Queen belong in Home Poker.

Due to the rampant popularity of our games, most hand posts here are done with raw hand histories. Euri10 made a converter for UB triple draw histories that can be found here. Greenage made a convert for PokerStars triple draw histories that can be found here. We appreciate their hard work and encourage the use of converters when posting triple draw hand histories. If anyone wants to work on a converter for other games, your work will be much appreciated. UB hand histories can be captured via Ultimate History or GameTime+.

We're also starting to look into posting videos of our play. This seems especially useful here as hand history postings can be difficult, and this method can be used for any online game.

Some existing videos of DeathDonkey and *TT* playing 2-7 triple draw can be found here.

For general questions, please read the FAQs below before posting.

Q. All these games are very confusing. Where can I read the rules?

Unfortunately Robert's Rules don't cover all of our games. He does have a few, including draw high and both A-5 & 2-7 lowball.

For other games it's generally best to look at the websites of rooms that spread them:

UB: Triple Draw
UB: Crazy Pineapple
UB: Crazy Pineapple Hi/Lo
Stars: 2-7 Triple Draw
Doyle’s Room: Badugi
PokerRoom: Chinese Poker
24hPoker: Sökö,Telesina,Americana


Q. Where can I play these cool games?

There are many online rooms, both major and minor, that spread “Other Poker” games. Some of the sites even allow Americans to play. Be warned, many of these games receive little traffic. Please PM Tom Bayes or a moderator if this list needs to be updated.

PokerStars:
2-7 Triple Draw cash games (Limit, PL, NL) and MTTs (Limit)
Draw High cash games (Limit, PL, NL) and MTTs (PL)
HORSE cash games, SNGs, MTTs
HOSE cash games and SNGs.

Full Tilt:
HORSE cash games, SNGs, MTTs
HOSE cash games
HA (half PLHE/half PLO) cash games

UltimateBet:
2-7 Triple Draw cash games
A-5 Triple Draw cash games
Crazy Pineapple cash games
Crazy Pineapple Hi/Lo cash games
HORSE cash games
HOSE cash games
HA (half Holdem, half Omaha) cash games

B2B Network:
Pot Limit Draw cash games, SNGs, and MTTs
2-7 Triple Draw cash games & MTTs
PL Sökö cash games & tournaments
PL Telesina and Americana cash games

Tribeca Network:
Limit and Half-Pot Limit Badugi cash games

GamesGrid Poker:
2-7 Triple Draw cash games
Weekly NL Kansas City Lowball tournament (i.e. 2-7 single draw) on Thursday night
Dealer's Choice (HORSE games) cash games and tournaments

Paradise Poker:
Limit Draw High cash games
Crazy Pineapple cash games
Crazy Pineapple Hi/Lo cash games

Planet Poker:
Limit Draw High cash games, SNGs, and MTTs
Pot Limit Draw High cash games

Ongame Network:
Limit and PL Draw High cash games
Pot Limit Draw High SNGs and MTTs

Poker.com:
Rumored to be adding several "other games" including Draw High, Triple Draw, and Badugi.


Q. Can I get rakeback or signup deals for those sites?

You can for most of them, but you're not allowed to ask about it in the forum.

Q. Where can I play these games live?

We'd generally like to know that, too. In particular, please make a thread if you play a mixed game in a casino for low to medium stakes. Regular mixed games at the Wynn, Bellagio, and Venetian in Las Vegas contain some of our games, and A-5 Lowball is supposedly still spread in a few California cardrooms.

Q. What books/web resources are there for these games?

Unfortunately, there's not a lot in print on any of these games. I'm going to list several, but I have to note that 2+2 doesn't endorse any of these except of course David's and Mason's books. We're always looking for more resources.

Draw High:
Mason Malmuth, Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball
Mike Caro, Advanced Strategies in Draw Poker
Norman Zadeh, Winning Poker Systems
Nesmith Ankeny, Poker Strategy: Winning with Game Theory
Doyle Brunson et. al, Super System I (chapter by Mike Caro)

James Anno, An Encyclopedia of Draw Poker
Michael Wiesenberg, Free Money
An article by Micheal Wiesenberg.
More Wiesenberg articles at Cardplayer.com about draw and A-5 lowball.

Single Draw Lowball:
Mason Malmuth, Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball
Michael Wiesenberg, Free Money
Doyle Brunson, et. al., Super System I (chapter by Joey Hawthorne)

Triple Draw Lowball:
Doyle Brunson et. al., Super System II (chapter by Daniel Negreanu)
An article by Howard Lederer
Another article by Howard Lederer
An article by Michael Wiesenberg
An article by Mark Gritter
An article by Chris Fargis
An article by DeathDonkey
Another article by DeathDonkey

Badugi:
An article by Chris Fargis
An article by DeathDonkey

Chinese Poker:
Don Smolen's Chinese Poker Site

Crazy Pineapple:
Crazy Pineapple for Advanced Players by Jerrod Ankenman (Note: not 2+2)
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