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Old 06-15-2006, 03:11 AM
SoCalRugger SoCalRugger is offline
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Default JJ - What the [censored] am I doing wrong?

After 12k hands at NL25, JJ is my biggest loser. Am I supposed to fold to this turn push? I've got no reads on villain since it's my first orbit, but two hands ago I did pretty much the same betting pattern with AA on a AQT flop, and villain folded the turn.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($7.50)
BB ($25)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($32.95)</font>
UTG+1 ($17.75)
MP1 ($22.55)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($22.35)</font>
CO ($18.05)
Button ($150.32)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, MP2 calls $3, BB folds.

Turn: ($9.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP2 calls $18.35 (All-In), Hero calls $11.35.

River: ($45.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $45.80
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:13 AM
Misanthrope Misanthrope is offline
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Default Re: JJ - What the [censored] am I doing wrong?

yes you are supposed to fold. maybe villain does this with AT more often its with something better.

Edit: Considering 4 people saw the flop
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:15 AM
MyTurn2Raise MyTurn2Raise is offline
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Default Re: JJ - What the [censored] am I doing wrong?

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yes you are supposed to fold. maybe villain does this with AT more often its with something better.

Edit: Considering 4 people saw the flop

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agreed...unless you have specific notes about someone being a habitual bluffer, consistently overvalues their hands (such as TPTK), or have played many times verse the opponent...the turn c/r allin for the pot is a fold
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:19 AM
younghov17 younghov17 is offline
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Default Re: JJ - What the [censored] am I doing wrong?

turn check raises are usually a hand, flop check raises however dont always mean much. keep those 2 points in mind it will help. this refers to donks btw, not semi thinking players.
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Old 06-15-2006, 04:02 AM
Chuck_D Chuck_D is offline
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Default Re: JJ - What the [censored] am I doing wrong?

He is getting 3 to 1 pot odds for calling the turn all in move. Is that enough to call here? I'm not suggesting I know the correct play but in my mind with JJ I am still calling this expecting either to be way behind to a set or up against A10s, A5s even someone going crazy over a flush or straight draw. If 3 to 1 isnt good enough to call what number would be (including the fact you have no reads)?
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