88 in bvb oop

elstunar · #1 11-27-2007, 01:10 AM

reads: villian is running 25/23/3...we haven't butted heads much as the other villain is my main target at this table running around 40/10...i see him as being able to 3-bet somewhat light...but not recklessly

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Hero ($89.15)
BB ($50.75)
Button ($104.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.

i think preflop is pretty standard

Flop: ($9.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.5, Hero calls $5.50.

i think i'm ok calling this flop, pretty safe against his range, i want to see what he does on the turn

Turn: ($20.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

now i'm thinking he has a pocket pair, not sure whether mine is best tho

River: ($20.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero?

this doesn't make sense to me, if he has a pocket pair he would likely check behind, if he had an ace i would think he would fire turn again...maybe something like KQ or JT?...what do you guys think here? can we call this?

hennnerz · #2 11-27-2007, 01:34 AM

Why do you call the PFR?

I don't think its standard too, mayb just imo.

deleteduser · #3 11-27-2007, 01:40 AM

PFRR call is fine IMO, I fold the flop here though.

elstunar · #4 11-27-2007, 01:50 AM

ok, well considering i did what i did, 1) what range do you have villain on when he bets river and then 2) what's ur river play?

hennnerz · #5 11-27-2007, 01:51 AM

I dont think calling the 3bet here is profitable here.

You wont hit your set/win the hand enough when he misses the flop enough to make it EV+ in the long run imo.

slush420 · #6 11-27-2007, 01:58 AM

This is played fine. Consider CRAI on river sometimes to fold out TT-KK which would also take this line hoping you are forced to call with a smaller PP like you have.

elstunar · #7 11-27-2007, 01:59 AM

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I dont think calling the 3bet here is profitable here.

You wont hit your set/win the hand enough when he misses the flop enough to make it EV+ in the long run imo.

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then how deep would you have to be to call here? calling i'm calling 6bb when he's 100bb deep?

hennnerz · #8 11-27-2007, 02:00 AM

I think you are calling 10bb here

The general rule is 5-10%. 10% being max and rather marginal. Added to this the fact you are OOP for the rest of the hand I think this isn't EV+

elstunar · #9 11-27-2007, 02:02 AM

i raised to 1.75, he raised to 5, i called 3.25

kerk · #10 11-27-2007, 02:06 AM

this is actually a really interesting hand.

i also fold the flop a lot, sometimes call but now im at river i probably shove. This might be pretty high variance though.