Can i get some insight 10nl

[Keitan]

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lol, likewise. However I disagree about even calling the .35 to stack a shortie

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How come? He's not that short (as an aside, BB is $0.05, not $0.10, so not 10NL as most of us know it). Do you agree with my figure of needing to stack him 54% of the time when we hit our set? I really reckon we can do that, I am convinced this is a weak player with a monster, because of the UTG min-reraise and I don't see him getting away from it unless it is AK that doesn't hit or KK, QQ facing overcards, but on balance I think we stack him often enough to call here even without Button calling the extra $0.70.

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Against UTG alone I'm folding - risk/reward just isn't there. Even if you are guaranteed to stack him every time you hit your set it's not worth it. General rule is effective stack should be 10x the what you put in PF. This is assuming you are playing just for set value. If you estimate you have some steal equity it could obviously be less than 10x.

[Caelallaiach]

If UTG raised it up to $0.75 in his first action and it folded round to Hero in the BB, I 100% agree with what you say, we would have to call $0.75 to win $4.81 and that would not be profitable.

But that isn't the situation here, with Hero raising and UTG min-reraising, we have to call $0.35 to win $6.06. Like I said before, the $0.40 Hero raised to previously now belongs to the pot, we can't withdraw that money. We now have to make a decision based on the pot odds we are being laid at this current time.

So, if you agree with the numbers I worked out above which I think are correct, the debate becomes, can we stack UTG 54% of the time when we hit our set. I would argue yes because:-

1) I think the min-reraise is a pretty reliable tell that he has a strong hand from my experience playing micro no limit.
2) Without wanting to be too rude, HE IS A DONKEY!!! What hand would you limp UTG with and then min reraise, I can't think of one hand with which a good player would do that.
3) I might as well now mention that Button is also a donkey too. What hand do you limp with after two callers and then call again after a raise and a min-reraise? Answer: Nothing, if you a good player, he probably has suited connectors, a small pocket pair and does not have anywhere near the implied odds he needs, or QJo, or AA (hopefully), or A5s, who knows? Either way, I feel that a "HEEEEE-HAWWWW!!!" is appropriate here.

For entertainment value, given that 2) is true, let me recall a couple of the kind of extra money making possiblities that I see at micro stakes:-
[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], flop J52, we pot it, does UTG fold? He obviously should, but does he, does he?
[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Even better is when UTG has KK, flop comes Q72, in an attempt to be tricky UTG bets $0.05, yes that's right, you get laid 25 to 1 odds and can call to hit your 2 outer, I have stacked people this way before, and got abused for being lucky in the chat box, LOL!

So, my point is, we need to call this $0.35, with or without the Button, I really do think we can stack UTG more than 54% of the time.

IMO, the real question in this hand is should Hero raise to $0.40 in the first place, I am not sure. This is actually one of the few times I have experimented with min raising in the past; when I have a small Pocket Pair in the blinds, simply because everyone calls and it makes the pot twice as big. Obviously attentive players would realise what it is, but this is micro stakes and no one pays attention much.