Four Winds Casino…..I was there

[magoo]

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Can anybody fill me in on why e-tables didn't work at other places?

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Bottom line:
In Detroit, etables were simply introduced incorrectly.
Etables were introduced as a "novelty" 3/6 game, in a venue of established high limit and no limit games with dealers. Many players at Motor City never played a single dollar on the etables, because the "real" games all had "live" dealers.

Speculation:
Etables are leased. Nobody except the joint (Motor City), knows the details of the lease arrangement regarding on-site technical SUPPORT for the etables. In a "mixed" etable / "live" dealer environment, you have the joint PAYING "live" dealers, and simultaneously, paying for etable tech support.....hhhmmmmm....I don't know.......

QUESTION:
Does anyone know if Motor City Casino had on-site technical support staff for the etables? Will there be etable tech support persons, when etables return to Motor City casino?

[ExT]

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Every seat has a nice clear view of all the action and people at the table

Limited chances for angle-shooting. I couldn't think of any, but I'm sure someone will figure something out.


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Lol, just being sarcastic but what "action"? All the people staring at a screening and poking it?

Second point, not being sarcastic, angle-shooting? That may not be a problem but with no one controlling the game (dealer), it seems like the door is not only wide open, but off the hinges for collusion.

Haven't been up there yet, so can only speak from what other players (some dealers, some 'pro' players, some casual social players) have said. Just from what I've read here alone I'm rather turned off on these E-tables as it just sounds like everything that involves any skill or ability in poker is done for you. Players have some control over what happens in a live game (with dealers), where as it seems to me there is none here. Just sounds like live internet poker (which I'm sure some embrace), but I'm not warming up to it....I'll wait until I can actually play on one for myself before condemning them too much though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Just doesn't sound much like "poker" to me *shrug*

[magoo]

I can confirm Sprint has a good signal inside Four Winds Casino. You say AT&T? That's supposed to be Cingular. A "Cingular" phone also got a good signal. Everyone with a Verizon phone had problems getting a signal inside the casino.

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Casino Negatives:
-No cell phone service anywhere in the place. My girlfriend and I got separated and it took over 30 minutes to find each other due to neither of us getting reception. I have Verizon and she has AT&T. Anyone else have this problem?

room OK. Tables were fun but not as good as real live play.

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[Sly Selea]

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I can confirm Sprint has a good signal inside Four Winds Casino. You say AT&T? That's supposed to be Cingular. A "Cingular" phone also got a good signal. Everyone with a Verizon phone had problems getting a signal inside the casino.

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Casino Negatives:
-No cell phone service anywhere in the place. My girlfriend and I got separated and it took over 30 minutes to find each other due to neither of us getting reception. I have Verizon and she has AT&T. Anyone else have this problem?

room OK. Tables were fun but not as good as real live play.

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I'm sure the structure of the casino doesn't help, but New Buffalo is a horrible dead zone for cell phone signals.

[Sly Selea]

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Every seat has a nice clear view of all the action and people at the table

Limited chances for angle-shooting. I couldn't think of any, but I'm sure someone will figure something out.


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Lol, just being sarcastic but what "action"? All the people staring at a screening and poking it?

Second point, not being sarcastic, angle-shooting? That may not be a problem but with no one controlling the game (dealer), it seems like the door is not only wide open, but off the hinges for collusion.

Haven't been up there yet, so can only speak from what other players (some dealers, some 'pro' players, some casual social players) have said. Just from what I've read here alone I'm rather turned off on these E-tables as it just sounds like everything that involves any skill or ability in poker is done for you. Players have some control over what happens in a live game (with dealers), where as it seems to me there is none here. Just sounds like live internet poker (which I'm sure some embrace), but I'm not warming up to it....I'll wait until I can actually play on one for myself before condemning them too much though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Just doesn't sound much like "poker" to me *shrug*

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Now Chris, let's be completely forthcoming with all angles here.

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Hey I said I was being sarcastic at the first comment [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I said I can't judge until I actually play on them. But I'm just raising the point that I've heard alot of from many who HAVE played on the tables, and that is of collusion being a large issue.


To note: The point Sly is making is that I'm a "live" poker Dealer for somewhere else. I guess that should somehow disqualify me from commenting? I plan on hitting Four Winds quite often if you want to know, so it's not like I'm slamming it or anything with some agenda [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Kramer.]

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Every seat has a nice clear view of all the action and people at the table

Limited chances for angle-shooting. I couldn't think of any, but I'm sure someone will figure something out.


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Lol, just being sarcastic but what "action"? All the people staring at a screening and poking it?

Second point, not being sarcastic, angle-shooting? That may not be a problem but with no one controlling the game (dealer), it seems like the door is not only wide open, but off the hinges for collusion.


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I know you're joking, and that's the same idea I had before I played. But the setup of the table makes the game no more or less social than a regular game. In fact, the names displayed on the table made for easier conversation, and easy reminders to players that action was on them when they didn't notice it was their turn.

Also, I'd agree that collusion could be a big problem. In fact, due to the inability to chop the blinds, some players (including me) agreed to check it down if it was heads up between the blinds. That's collusion, although good-natured collusion.
Without a dealer to police the action, some inexperienced players could be taken advantage of.
However, there seemed to be a good supply of floorpeople to take care of any issues.

[Toonces]

I played for about 4 hours on Sunday. 3/6 was the highest limit game. Tried to get a 10/20 going but never succeeded. I thought the room was great not only as a novelty but just in general. Some suggestions I would have for PokerTek:

- Put the type of game either on the table screen or the player's screen. As it is, you can only tell what game is being dealt from the empty seats. If all the seats are taken, you don't know if the table is 3/6, 5/10, limit or NL or sit-n-go.

- Have a button to tip from your stack for the waitstaff.

- Posting happens automatically when you re-log in. There should be an option to wait for the big blind.

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[The Rev]

Any recommendations for cheap hotels in the area?

[iron81]

Wait until October or November. That area gets huge tourist traffic from Chicago during the summer.