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Old 11-07-2007, 05:36 PM
ShawnHoo ShawnHoo is offline
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Default Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

Decent game last week. Iris, for those of you who have not had the pleasure of meeting her, is a Commerce regular. She's a trust fund pro (I have no idea if she actually has a trust fund, but you get the idea) who sucks at poker and at life. She frequently abuses dealers, sometimes in a racist manner. Other posters here have said she's improved her game, but she still seems like a tilt monkey to me.

10 minutes ago, after losing yet another pot because of these stupid dealers, she asks for a new setup and walks away from the table. She's now back and posts in late position.

Folded to Iris who raises her post. I pick up 33 on the button and 3-town that [censored]. Folded back to Iris who calls.

Flop: A53r

Iris checks, I bet, she check-raises my stupid punk kid ass. I 3-bet her stupid old lady ass, she 4-bets.

What's the optimal line from here?
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:54 PM
Six_of_One Six_of_One is offline
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

It seems to me that if you 5-bet the flop she'll just call you down despite the fact that she's on tilt, assuming she has something like AQ or whatever. I would prefer to call her 4-bet and raise the turn, because I can't see her folding her hand heads up with you. If she 3-bets you on the turn, I guess it depends on your read whether you want to 4-bet or just call down.
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

Raise 12 more times then call down. Do NOT wait for the turn.

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Old 11-07-2007, 07:02 PM
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Raise 12 more times then call down. Do NOT wait for the turn.

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gin
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

gas it. get full value out of her a-k/a-j. don't let a stupid turn card like 4/2 kill the action.
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:20 PM
Bicycles_Biatch Bicycles_Biatch is offline
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

I like a "fake" crying call and a pump on the turn.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:17 AM
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

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I like a "fake" crying call and a pump on the turn.

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forgive me for being frank, but

yuck.

worst line both techinically and psychologically.

getting ppl to spew involves putting in lot of raises before they have time to get scared or pick up on your obvious tell.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:00 AM
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changing the tone of the hand from gamble-gamble to "strategic-like" by doing that stop n go stuff is the worst thing you can do against someone who just wants to RAISE RAISE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAISE THAT [censored] [censored] PRICK... AHHHH!!!!!
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:02 AM
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I like a "fake" crying call and a pump on the turn.

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this is very very dumb.

you have the best hand and she ain't folding. you cannot predict when she is gonna stop on that flop. if you KNOW she is gonna call down once you xbet, then you should x-1bet and then pop the turn. but you don't know what that number is, so let her show you and go on that flop until she stops.
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Old 11-08-2007, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: Comm 40: Bottom set vs Iris

If I'm you, there's no way I can believe I am behind here. She's got an Ace for sure, and perhaps even two pair?

The line here largely depends on your read of her. Is she so tilted out that she'd go this crazy with top pair? Or two pair? Obviously set over set is going to cost you a lot of money here, but doesn't it always?

Anyways, if she is really as bad as you say, I'm looking to go to war with your hand. Don't take your foot off the gas unless it becomes really apparent you might be looking at a better set.

Typically, I'd call the flop and raise the turn in this spot, but given she is a tilt monkey, it's better to never stop reraising. Tilty LAG types suck that kind of action up like Rush Limbaugh does Oxycontin.
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