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Old 08-30-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

Less than 20 hands on villain, and nothing noteworthy.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $70.15
Hero (BB): $71.70
UTG: $47.00
MP: $35.90
CO: $28.75
BTN: $51.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, CO calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $13.00</font>, <font color="blue"> Hero... </font>
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

I think you should fold here. He got an A.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

prob c/c flop, and fold to a turnbet
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

Fold. He usually has something like AQ here. I also wouldn't rule out a set. Either way you are beat. It sucks to let KK go, but you really have to here.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

Yeah just let it go against an unknown, if hes making a move then good for him but people rarely mess around in Reraised pots at micro-stakes.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

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prob c/c flop, and fold to a turnbet

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Yeah this line is best, your basically bluffing when you bet that flop, much better to try and induce a bluff or a call on a later street from worse hands. c/c costs the same as b/f so you lose no more when behind.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

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prob c/c flop, and fold to a turnbet

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Huh? So you just assume villian as an Ace? Even a bad villian will toss out a bet when he senses weakness.

Okay, you c/c a flop bet, the villian check behinds the turn, then you do what on the river?

C-betting this flop makes life so much easier.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

I don't agree with C/F flop. I would MUCH rather c-bet, c/f the turn. By C/F the flop you are making it much to easy to get bluffed off. Also Villain will easily be able to take you off AK/AA as you would obviously bet that flop with either of those holdings.

As played, easy fold to his flop raise.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

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prob c/c flop, and fold to a turnbet

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Huh? So you just assume villian as an Ace? Even a bad villian will toss out a bet when he senses weakness.

Okay, you c/c a flop bet, the villian check behinds the turn, then you do what on the river?

C-betting this flop makes life so much easier.

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The huge majority of villians are shutting down without at least an ace.

True betting can let you know where you stand by folding out everything worse and getting called/raised by better, but where is the value in that? And I thought poker was about making the most profitable decisions and not just making life easier.

I can't tell you how many times ive got value from KK on Ace high boards by inducing bluffs or "value bets" from weaker hands. Obviously this play is more effective with position though.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Rigged: KK and an Ace flops -- line check

Betting this flop is pretty bad.
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