TPTK versus a moron - semi deep.

[benjdr]

Firstly, here is villain(SB) try trying to be a hero:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($40.10)
BB ($27.10)
UTG ($45.20)
MP ($25)
Hero ($41)
Button ($26.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

River: ($13.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $19.8 (All-In)</font>, SB calls $19.80.

Final Pot: $52.85

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Qs Ah (two pair, nines and sevens).
Button has 8s 7s (full house, sevens full of nines).
Outcome: Button wins $52.85. </font>

He is playing He is playing 14/10/3.

On to the hand...
Preflop is meh, I know, but I was dying to play a pot with him since I was sure he was a moron, and I was pretty sure he was steaming.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($34.55)
BB ($30.80)
UTG ($25.40)
MP ($54.15)
Hero ($41.05)
Button ($8.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $5</font>, Hero...?

Obviously PF is debatable...
What is the plan for the rest of the hand?

[Milky]

PF is probably fine but I'm not too sure. Here I would just call down. Only one overcard to worry about and there's no reason to raise here. Just call down or bet when checked to.

[Luvminbet]

First hand is fine IMHO since he isn't raising a lot of hands in the SB that hit this flop.

Second hand, preflop is effectively meh because we're flipping or dominated, but we've got the button, so a call here isn't too loose. Flop is a definitive call and I evaluate on turn but I'm very rarely folding this: board is dry, you have TPTK and we know villain is betting no matter what on this flop after raising PF. I probably raise/shove turn depending on the card and SB bet.

[benjdr]

[ QUOTE ]
First hand is fine IMHO since he isn't raising a lot of hands in the SB that hit this flop.


[/ QUOTE ]
Eh? Did i miss something?

[ QUOTE ]

Second hand, preflop is effectively meh because we're flipping or dominated, but we've got the button, so a call here isn't too loose. Flop is a definitive call and I evaluate on turn but I'm very rarely folding this: board is dry, you have TPTK and we know villain is betting no matter what on this flop after raising PF. I probably raise/shove turn depending on the card and SB bet.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'll go on the assumtion we flat called the flop.

Why raise/shove the turn as opposed to calling then calling/betting river?

Turn raise: we may stack a worse hand. He folds a bluff.
Call/bet river: he may still stack off with worse. We also stack him if he's bluffing.

Don't we always more value from the 2nd option?