The casino I frequent is drying up...

[Woolygimp]

In a rush, but the local casino I play at has dried up considerably. The games are horrendously tight now, with even fish limp/folding AKo PF.

The games were awesome 4+ months ago, but now... it sucks.
The average 5/5 NL game has at least 4-6 people who play for a living, and while most do suck...getting 30 hands in per hour on live isn't enough to exploit them.

will clarify when i get back, has anyone noticed anything similar?

[EWillers]

I play mostly in Vegas. Mostly 2/5 NL with some 5/10. Haven't really noticed anything broadly better or worse than recent months/years from July thru Octobre.

Just got back into Texas last week. The couple times I've been out the games are as good as ever. Very small sample size, but they've been pretty much the same way for the past 3 years down here.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

The room has become like a pool of pirhana after the floods have receded. All the big, slow, dumb fish have been eaten. Even the smaller, more minnow-esque fish are all long gone. No limit caused a feeding frenzy when all the regular fish were suddenly playing a game that was over their head. A few fat pirhana ate some big, easy meals, and the carnage drew even more predators into the kill zone.

But in an isolated pool, there were too many pirhana. No limit is a top predator's game, but an ecosystem without enough prey collapses. That's when things get ugly.

Even the stupidest small fish will eventually wisen up if they never win. If you've eaten up all the dead money, it's inevitable that as long as no limit is the main game spread, the games won't be good anymore. Games in more isolated areas, with fewer influx of new players (i.e. tourists), will see this effect sooner.

Inevitably, balance amongst the fishes will be restored, but where will poker be when that happens?

[BubbleMint]

5/5 nl doesnt strike me as a beginers game.

I would guess the poor (skills wise) players who came to play have been sent to the poor house. So you are left with mediocre-good-strong players.

if the player pool was small to start with, not only have the better players stashed the winnings, the house has raked a considerale amount of money too.

I used to play in a private 1/2 PL game, that was the juciest game around. Consistantly seeing pots of between 300-500, where bottom pair or A high would regually win. The game was sustained by 2 fish from a player pool of about 25.
Only 4 players were long term winners, however now the fish have gone busto the good players ave deserted the game, all thats left now are the mediocre-good players. Only winner now is the house.

[fatshark]

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In a rush, but the local casino I play at has dried up considerably. The games are horrendously tight now, with even fish limp/folding AKo PF.

The games were awesome 4+ months ago, but now... it sucks.
The average 5/5 NL game has at least 4-6 people who play for a living, and while most do suck...getting 30 hands in per hour on live isn't enough to exploit them.

will clarify when i get back, has anyone noticed anything similar?

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Maybe there is a reason for that particular location. Where do you play?

[steamboatin]

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The room has become like a pool of pirhana after the floods have receded. All the big, slow, dumb fish have been eaten. Even the smaller, more minnow-esque fish are all long gone. No limit caused a feeding frenzy when all the regular fish were suddenly playing a game that was over their head. A few fat pirhana ate some big, easy meals, and the carnage drew even more predators into the kill zone.

But in an isolated pool, there were too many pirhana. No limit is a top predator's game, but an ecosystem without enough prey collapses. That's when things get ugly.

Even the stupidest small fish will eventually wisen up if they never win. If you've eaten up all the dead money, it's inevitable that as long as no limit is the main game spread, the games won't be good anymore. Games in more isolated areas, with fewer influx of new players (i.e. tourists), will see this effect sooner.

Inevitably, balance amongst the fishes will be restored, but where will poker be when that happens?

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I have often stated that limit poker will make a comeback but I am 50/50 if limit Holdem comes back or HORSE or a mixed game of some type becomes the new NL Holdem.

I really hope O/8 in the next big thing but I am not holding my breath.

[nineinchal]

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In a rush, but the local casino I play at has dried up considerably. The games are horrendously tight now, with even fish limp/folding AKo PF.

The games were awesome 4+ months ago, but now... it sucks.
The average 5/5 NL game has at least 4-6 people who play for a living, and while most do suck...getting 30 hands in per hour on live isn't enough to exploit them.

will clarify when i get back, has anyone noticed anything similar?

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What were you expecting? The supply of money is finite. Especially, the pool of money available for cash game no-limit holdem.

[canis582]

Al, can you draw a graph of the total mass of fishes in poker from 1850 through today?



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[Al_Capone_Junior]

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Al, can you draw a graph of the total mass of fishes in poker from 1850 through today?




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I can make the mostest awesome-est graphs on excel, a rollover skill from certain jobs I've held in the past. However, I'm not much of an expoit on getting various media types into posts on 2+2 :-(

Al

[RR]

This why in the pre-boom days casinos would not spread NL. They started spreading it with the boom because people that had never played poker in a casino were coming in demanding it.