Stars VIP FREEROLL changes = major letdown thread

Sintax · #1 12-30-2006, 09:21 PM

http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/tournaments/freerolls/

First of all, how the @!#$ can you you call a tournament with a 10 or 100 FPP buy-in a "freeroll".

Anybody who can't devote the entire Saturday each week to playing in freerolls is still cornholed.

3 $250 daily "freerolls"? Wow. Supernova Elites are sure to cream their shorts over this.

All the good ideas discussed here including T$ or staggering the event days fell on deaf ears.

m bozeman · #2 12-30-2006, 09:55 PM

I love how all you guys complain about Stars, and their changes to their VIP program. The bottom line is, Stars program is the best out there, period. If you don't like it, then go play somewhere else, and see if the grass is greener. Go enjoy the 27% rakeback at FullTilt.

Kudo's to Stars, proving again why you are by far the best poker site around.

goofyballer · #3 12-31-2006, 03:00 AM

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I love how all you guys complain about Stars, and their changes to their VIP program. The bottom line is, Stars program is the best out there, period. If you don't like it, then go play somewhere else, and see if the grass is greener. Go enjoy the 27% rakeback at FullTilt.

Kudo's to Stars, proving again why you are by far the best poker site around.

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I seriously don't understand you Zoo tards jerking off to Lee Jones at every opportunity. While thinking about moving to Stars recently I did some calculations as to how much $$ you get from being a Supernova at Stars 1/2NL, and it's less than the 27% RB at Full Tilt you speak so sourly of.

nation · #4 12-31-2006, 04:18 AM

goofy i heard it was like 40%

iH8poker · #5 12-31-2006, 04:49 AM

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goofy i heard it was like 40%

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NL$200 has about the lowest rake back value, probably still more than 27% though...and if you play seriously, you should hit one of the teirs...and I think they games should be softer at stars...and the software works great...what are you complaining about again?

I don't jerk of Lee Jones, but I'm also not going around saying 'when stars leaves the US' (I don't know where these guys are coming from).

Thinking of it, Party should have never banned US, just the deposits...winning US players should have been allowed to stay, oh well.

goofyballer · #6 12-31-2006, 06:11 AM

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SHOW ME MATHS

I didn't actually calculate a rb% for Stars since I don't have any data about how much MGR per hand is generated at Stars 1/2 NL but I did calculate the BB/100 added to your winrate from a.) supernova cash bonuses (0.76bb/100) b.) concierge service (0.84bb/100) c.) FTP 27% RB (1.01bb/100)

ImsaKidd · #7 12-31-2006, 04:47 PM

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goofy i heard it was like 40%

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SHOW ME MATHS

I didn't actually calculate a rb% for Stars since I don't have any data about how much MGR per hand is generated at Stars 1/2 NL but I did calculate the BB/100 added to your winrate from a.) supernova cash bonuses (0.76bb/100) b.) concierge service (0.84bb/100) c.) FTP 27% RB (1.01bb/100)

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FR or 6m?

It depends on your playing style too. If you post some data in this thread I can do the math for you.

mbpoker · #8 12-30-2006, 10:03 PM

Sintax - this was discussed extensively in other threads, including Scotty answering why it was done that way. In summary it's better than it looks from the first glance.

MicroBob · #9 12-30-2006, 10:13 PM

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Sintax - this was discussed extensively in other threads, including Scotty answering why it was done that way. In summary it's better than it looks from the first glance.

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No.
It is not any better at all if you are unavailable to play on Saturdays.
For some time-zones it's really inconvenient.

It's less of a time-commitment each Saturday. But it's still a commitment.
It might be slightly better value but that remains to be seen.

I'm fortunate in that Saturdays work for me.
But I really thought the V$ idea that could be used for tourneys at different times/days was an idea worth exploring.

Worth noting that Stars said they might change it after 3 months if it isn't working so hot.

My hunch is that there might be so many entrants in the tourneys that people around here complain that it still isn't really that great.
'Barely even worth playing' will be a popular opinion.

And others will chime-in and say they can't play them anyway and feel like they're missing VIP-value.

These aren't necessarily my views although I suspect I won't disagree.
There will be fewer complaints about them. More people will like this structure certainly.

But there will be many who will still think it's not so great.

Cair Paravel · #10 12-30-2006, 10:33 PM

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It is not any better at all if you are unavailable to play on Saturdays.
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The timing issue is my biggest problem w/ the freerolls. I work almost every Saturday, and on the occasion that I'm off, I rarely want to be tied to a computer all day. I wish they'd vary the times between Saturday and Sunday.