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Old 09-06-2006, 02:30 AM
spexel spexel is offline
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Default probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($97.45)
Hero ($418.95)
BB ($132.07)
UTG ($426)
MP ($215.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($16) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $80</font>, Hero ???

push or call? whats your plan on turn if you call?


villain is something like 25/15 regular.
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

river action is screwy. I typically pot the flop and pot turn. I think lead flop &gt; c/r.
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:47 AM
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

31,680 games 0.016 secs 1,980,000 games/sec

Board: Jh Qs 8s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.6168 % 37.04% 00.57% { JJ+, AsKs, QJs, T9s, QJo }
Hand 2: 62.3832 % 61.81% 00.57% { 8d8h }




pooooooooooooooosh

or call and lead most turns
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

Push now, dont wait.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

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Push now, dont wait.

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Old 09-06-2006, 03:24 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

I would definitely bet/3bet this flop.

So many draws for him to put you on, and so many draws that you probably would be playing this way, that it's the natural cover. He'll never fold big pairs to the flop bet, and there is so much value to be had from big pairs, AQ/KQ, or better yet QJ hands, as well as draws (which may very well raise).

Not to mention, that due to your call PF, he's very unlikely to put you on QQ/JJ, so he's only worried about 3 sets instead of 9.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:28 AM
happyjaypee happyjaypee is offline
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

Push now, don't let a scare card like a spade or a 9 or T fall on turn when u are OOP. It will kill your action and may allow him to push you from your hand.

Don't be afraid of set under set, it's so rare that you'll lose money folding them. And if he as the str8 already u got pot odds with 7 outs on turn and 10 on river.


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Old 09-06-2006, 03:42 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: probably cant fold... 4-bet ai?

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Push now

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if he as the str8 already u got pot odds

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Huh?
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:22 AM
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Push now

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if he as the str8 already u got pot odds

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Huh?

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Err. misread the OP...

Tought they had starting stacks of 200$, not 400$+

That gives him 1.45:1 pot odds on a push and a call vs a made str8 with while being a 2:1 underdog to fill.

screwed up, my bad [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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