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#11
01-08-2007, 05:22 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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villain is 22.6/14.5/9 200 hands, i am likely percieved as aggro at this table. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($485.05) Hero ($298.10) MP ($194.65) Button ($212.65) SB ($207.05) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6. Flop: ($33) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, MP calls $18, Button folds, BB folds. Turn: ($69) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $40</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $109 [/ QUOTE ] check flop. 
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#13
01-08-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
I definately fire a second barrell on turn, only J9 got there and there are definately a lot of T's out there that are looking you up on that flop - especially - since you are perceived as real aggressive (and probably bluffing a lot).
Fire second barrell if you feel you are facing a T or if you want to slow down c/c to river. By checking the turn you are looking like a whiffed AK, any ten is gonna try and take control, you DEFINATELY have to call turn if you check here imo.
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#15
01-08-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
the aggression has to be an anomaly, i dont think his true aggression can be this high. I think we need to consider that a huge portion of a 22-14s coldcalling range is pairs and suited connectors. this board has a ton of sets on it, as well as many straights and two pair hands. i think im good here against this player almost never and with players left to act behind him on the flop hes almost never floating.
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#16
01-08-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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[ QUOTE ] villain is 22.6/14.5/9 200 hands, i am likely percieved as aggro at this table. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($485.05) Hero ($298.10) MP ($194.65) Button ($212.65) SB ($207.05) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6. Flop: ($33) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, MP calls $18, Button folds, BB folds. Turn: ($69) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $40</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $109 [/ QUOTE ] check flop. [/ QUOTE ] er, no! Not protecting your equity in this pot 3 way is very poor. OP you should definately be calling that turn bet. He could have anything here, and you beat a lot of anythings. Once called you can check/fold river if he fires a decent sized bet again but dont give up yet.
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#17
01-08-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] villain is 22.6/14.5/9 200 hands, i am likely percieved as aggro at this table. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($485.05) Hero ($298.10) MP ($194.65) Button ($212.65) SB ($207.05) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6. Flop: ($33) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, MP calls $18, Button folds, BB folds. Turn: ($69) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $40</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $109 [/ QUOTE ] check flop. [/ QUOTE ] er, no! Not protecting your equity in this pot 3 way is very poor. OP you should definately be calling that turn bet. He could have anything here, and you beat a lot of anythings. Once called you can check/fold river if he fires a decent sized bet again but dont give up yet. [/ QUOTE ] You can't call a raise so that's why you check it.
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#18
01-08-2007, 05:33 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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no one likes a crai here on turn? I think folding is out of the question on the turn [/ QUOTE ] Gone are the Party days where Hero would routinely get paid off by any T, sometimes mid pair. If you c/r he only calls with hands that have you beat. A raise is terrible. A second barrel isn't that good because you obviously need a hand to c-bet a 4 way flop and double barrel, and villain knows this, thus he most likely ditches worse hands. I keep switching between calling and folding so I think there are merits to both.
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#19
01-08-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] villain is 22.6/14.5/9 200 hands, i am likely percieved as aggro at this table. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($485.05) Hero ($298.10) MP ($194.65) Button ($212.65) SB ($207.05) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6. Flop: ($33) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, MP calls $18, Button folds, BB folds. Turn: ($69) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $40</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $109 [/ QUOTE ] check flop. [/ QUOTE ] er, no! Not protecting your equity in this pot 3 way is very poor. OP you should definately be calling that turn bet. He could have anything here, and you beat a lot of anythings. Once called you can check/fold river if he fires a decent sized bet again but dont give up yet. [/ QUOTE ] You can't call a raise so that's why you check it. [/ QUOTE ] rofl check is horrible here we have good equity against villain ranges on a drawy board and a multiway pot.
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#20
01-08-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: i give up with JJ
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[ QUOTE ] villain is 22.6/14.5/9 200 hands, i am likely percieved as aggro at this table. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($485.05) Hero ($298.10) MP ($194.65) Button ($212.65) SB ($207.05) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6. Flop: ($33) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, MP calls $18, Button folds, BB folds. Turn: ($69) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $40</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $109 [/ QUOTE ] check flop. [/ QUOTE ] No way do I check flop.
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