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Mike MacIntosh · #1 07-23-2007, 05:44 PM

2nd orbit, no reads.

Do you play the flop differently?

What is your turn line? 83 behind in a 61.50 pot on a drawy board OOP.

Please consider:

1.) Giving a free card is disasterous.
2.) CRAI will get called by a looser range than a shove.

Obviously on a dry board this becomes an easy crai.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($72.10)
BB ($100)
UTG ($120.95)
MP ($100)
Hero ($108.20)
Button ($335.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $5, Hero calls $5, Button calls $5, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($21.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, Button calls $20, UTG folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($61.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $83.2 (All-In)

Nick Royale · #2 07-23-2007, 05:46 PM

I just make a normal vb on the turn and push any river.

mertzo · #3 07-23-2007, 05:47 PM

I bet this aswell. Probably 50+call a push but shoving sometimes is fine too

Mike MacIntosh · #4 07-23-2007, 05:52 PM

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I really think betting 40-50 looks very fishy here with 80 behind. Which is why I really didn't consider it while plaything the hand. However I agree that this is another way to play it.

DonovanMD · #5 07-23-2007, 06:06 PM

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I like this better than the shove value wise.

matt85 · #6 07-23-2007, 06:17 PM

I probably play it like this on this board.

Mike MacIntosh · #7 07-23-2007, 07:00 PM

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I like this better than the shove value wise.

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The consensus is to bet 40-50ish on the turn. Am I the only one that thinks vb for more than 1/2 our remaining chips is very suspicious, and narrows our hand range significantly?

1gotth3nuts · #8 07-23-2007, 07:18 PM

obviously we have to bet.... eh i think it doesnt really matter too much whether we bet 50 or shove, both are equally good IMO

Orsman · #9 07-23-2007, 07:46 PM

I think that a shove is a to strong move. Villain will not call this w/ a draw, probably only w/ some kind of king. A 45ish bet is better to make him pay with any draw

golfinguy5 · #10 07-23-2007, 08:41 PM

I think either is really fine. Like you said, betting more than half of your stack and be very suspicious but a push a lot of times will scare people off. I'd play it both ways.