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Old 11-29-2007, 06:07 PM
MadScientist MadScientist is offline
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Default NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BTN: $194
SB: $205.85
BB: $296.80
UTG: $195
MP: $90.20
Hero (CO): $266.25

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, MP calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $32</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $22

Flop: ($68) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $44</font>, Hero?

Villain was 20/15/3.5/757.

My thinking was that this villain wasn't getting away from any smaller pair and is aggressive enough to have a low suited connector too. Is flat calling better? I could see lower pairs getting away if I flat call and the turn bricks or is an A.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

calling and not folding any turn is ok as is raising and getting AI vs a guy with 3.5AF. if you think hell bluff the turn or fold 77-99 then call and get it AI on any turn, otherwise raise and get it in now
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

I have a hard time getting away unless I've got some reason to believe he's 3-betting you pretty tight there, like {JJ+,AK} or tighter. If he's decent, he's probably 3-betting 22-77 some of the time and most of that is calling a shove (?). I don't like calling becuase I don't think a 3.5 AF player super-spews with nothing on the turn to make up for the times you're crushed and get stacked anyway.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

call and use position, he pretty surely doesnt have 77-99 that might give you big equity when you shove.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

call is standard here
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

i like to raise this up and get it in on the flop
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:20 AM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Raising is the worst option here. Call and re-evaluate the turn. If you raise it up his calling range will have you crushed, unless villain is very very bad. Your hand is pretty face up as 99-JJ, by raising you let him play pretty much perfectly against TT.

This is also massively dependent on you image, and how the SB thinks, if you are playing 30/20 your decision is different to if you are running 17/10 - assuming villain thinks.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:14 AM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

what tanky said... raising is burning money imo. vs an unknown i call and fold to further action on turn
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: NL 200 TT rr pot, low flop, enough value to shove this?

Villains range is AQ/AK/JJ/QQ/KK/AA imho.
Someone with 20/15/3.5/757 stats just doesn`t 3-bet worse OOP unless he is tilting or you have just tried to steal the blinds much too often in the past hands.

This means I even might be able to fold TT preflop here, but it`s marginal imho.
When I call preflop, I call on the flop as well + fold turn to further action.
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