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Old 11-28-2007, 05:42 AM
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Default value shove?

vil is 24/20/2 over 70

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BB ($400)
UTG ($106)
MP ($454)
Hero ($392)
SB ($1886.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($34) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($34) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $64</font>, Hero calls $44.

River: ($162) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $148</font>, hero shoves?
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: value shove?

Think you're looking at a real polarized range here - I probably call
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:59 AM
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isn't A9 A8 A6 98 and AK all in his range?
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:04 AM
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Default Re: value shove?

I think I'd shove. He'll just figure you for a one pair hand, and like you said, there's stuff that calls. AK AQ are also hands he will show up with, because people are idiots.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:17 AM
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Default Re: value shove?

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Think you're looking at a real polarized range here - I probably call

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Agreed, I wouldn't shove unless I have a better idea of what he plays like this.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:12 AM
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Default Re: value shove?

I would 3-bet preflop especially since I have no reads on villain's postflop play (assuming you don't since you didn't include any). It is tough to estimate the value of AJ unless you hit two pair+.

I think villain is pretty polarized to missed draws or 2pair+. There are a decent amount of 2 pair combos that will call a shove, not sure if he calls with AK/AQ/AT type of hands though. This is tough... I think both are fine. I can't decide whats best.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:18 AM
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Caaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:26 AM
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Omg how [censored] up is villains line! have to call due to that.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: value shove?

I'd definitely prefer a 3-bet preflop against most players here, though calling can be fine in certain spots.

Given the incredibly screwed up line we are facing here, I can't see a shove being a good idea unless he is just a really bad player going to showdown too much. He isn't calling this shoev with some crazy 98 or whatever if he's good. Just call.
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