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Old 11-19-2007, 03:06 PM
patstap patstap is offline
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Default Playing at the same place you deal.

During the WSOP this summer I played in a small tournament at Fitzgeralds, downtown.

I was in a hand where a LP player was trying to decide whether to call, raise, or fold. He showed his hand to the guy on his right, and flashed it to others (all I could see was some paint).

I called him on this, asking him not to show his cards to anyone while there was still action to take place. He took umbrage with me, saying that the guy on his right was out of the hand. I explained that others, including myself, saw at least one of his cards.

He eventually folded and made sure I was aware he was unhappy with me for speaking up.

The next day I was in the same tourney and as I took my seat, was unpleasantly surprised to see this same guy was DEALING!

What are the different policies concerning playing at the same place you deal?

Was I out of line for calling him down and shouldn't a dealer know better, and lean over backwards to set a good example for others?
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

When guy is showing his cards to other people, at least who aren't in the hand, it benefits his opponents, not him.

Kudos for being honest about it since you were in the hand.

Just because they deal doesn't mean they're any better than the average mope playing on your table.

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Old 11-19-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

Many of the dealers at Canterbury Park in MN also play, and I dont really see any problems with it. I have heard that some of the dealer choose not to play there only because they don't want to mix it up with players who 'might' be tipping them down the road. Case in point from OP.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

I would expect dealers playing in their own room to act accordingly.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

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I would expect dealers playing in their own room to act accordingly.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ha.

Okay, one more. HA!

Many dealers are generally fine as players. However, the biggest offenders of any of the loosely-enforced "rules" in my cardroom are dealers, and there are a lot of them. I call them out on their crap. I'm not very popular.

It makes sense, really. For a bunch of people who were doing this before the boom in their own little podunk rooms, they feel like they have free reign and that etiquette doesn't apply to them. Unfortunately, I take a different tack. This isn't 'Nam, it's Poker; there are rules.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

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I would expect dealers playing in their own room to act accordingly.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Ha.

Okay, one more. HA!

Many dealers are generally fine as players. However, the biggest offenders of any of the loosely-enforced "rules" in my cardroom are dealers, and there are a lot of them. I call them out on their crap. I'm not very popular.

It makes sense, really. For a bunch of people who were doing this before the boom in their own little podunk rooms, they feel like they have free reign and that etiquette doesn't apply to them. Unfortunately, I take a different tack. This isn't 'Nam, it's Poker; there are rules.

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Let me rephrase that. Dealers in my room that play there will act accordingly and remember that what they do reflects upon the casino.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

I was at Suncoast one night. There was a guy at our table bad-mouthing anyone that put a beat on him. Real mean and loud (he was maybe the worst player at the table though). A few days later, I was playing on swing shift (I do most of my playing on grave) and lo and behold....Mr Warmth is dealing. Just like your story. Go figure.


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Old 11-19-2007, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

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What are the different policies concerning playing at the same place you deal?


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If anyone plays where I work and gets out of line in the slightest they get repremanded and lose they're playing privaledges.

As for the debate of "I dont like dealers playing where they work becasue....(insert some insane remark other than behaviour here)"

Guess what, if dealers couldn't play where they work, they'd all play next door or elsewhere and guess what the dealers next door now are playing one casino down and this is absolutely no different than if they were playing in their own room. And btw, those that afraid of dealers because "omg they see so many hands, they know to play us" are just morons. Simple as that. Dealers aren't dealing because they are all aspiring or secretly pro players.
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

Well, no reason to belittle those who aren't as tied with the industry and may be intimidated by someone in a uniform.

That said, as a dealer, I can tell you this. Most people suck at poker, and most dealers are people, therefore most dealers suck at poker. But they also think that since they see so many hands they're experts, so they play too hard and too loose and are generally very easy targets. Every now and again you find one who knows what s/he's doing, but the rest bleed chips like crazy.

I don't like to play where I deal for several reasons. The drop is insane for the stakes I can afford. I don't want to be tempted to gamble instead of work, and I work the worst time to play. I don't want to anger my customers. I don't want to feel obligated to over-tip, cutting even more into my earnings. When I want to work on poker instead of work on dealing, I EO and play online.
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Playing at the same place you deal.

This is a common problem with dealers playing in their own room. Most of them are very professional and behave well. But there is that fringe element who try to take advantage of their friendships and working relationships. Some of the worst-behaved players I've seen are dealers. A couple of the Wynn dealers fit into this category, doing the most outrageous things during hands that if any normal player did it would cause trouble (like reaching into main pot, grabbing the muck to see what someone folded, "helping" other players count their chips by reaching into the other players stacks, etc). And a while back I think psandman posted a tale of being outright cheated by a fellow dealer playing in psand's own room where the dealer knew he could get away with cheating a fellow dealer--nobody was gonna call the floor on him for it.

I agree with RR and Photoc that dealers playing in their own rooms MUST be held to at least the same standard as any other player. Doing otherwise creates a very bad image of the room. And in psand's example, I woulda fired that cheating dealer--you CANNOT let go the impression that the room allows their own dealers to cheat, even if they only cheat other dealers.
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