I'm high on Vicodin and I have 2 black Aces

[Howard Beale]

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Let's see ... She's "horrible but can make an occasional good play"? Can she really only have kings? Or could it be AK?

I feel like I still have to raise the turn here against most people. What can you do if she 3-bets? I'd probably find myself calling down the 3-bet in all likelihood after I've finished choking on the little bit of throw-up that just came up into my mouth. This is probably not correct.

Given the villain, I am thinking the safest lines here are call the turn and river since raising the turn and fold to 3-bet makes me even sicker.

This is a tough one to play.

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Of course she can have AK. That's why I'm still in the hand. And an auto-raise against a weak player is so tempting. Against CAZ 2p2'rs who know what I've got I can fold most times. Not all the time since I don't want them to take shots at me, but most times.

There is also no way to ever fold to this woman if you're holding any sort of a hand, so I can't fold to a 3-bet. If she wins, oh well, it's just on loan. And with me thinking that LP is always drawing to an Ace makes it even less likely that UTG+1 has AK.

[DcifrThs]

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Let's see ... She's "horrible but can make an occasional good play"? Can she really only have kings? Or could it be AK?

I feel like I still have to raise the turn here against most people. What can you do if she 3-bets? I'd probably find myself calling down the 3-bet in all likelihood after I've finished choking on the little bit of throw-up that just came up into my mouth. This is probably not correct.

Given the villain, I am thinking the safest lines here are call the turn and river since raising the turn and fold to 3-bet makes me even sicker.

This is a tough one to play.

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Of course she can have AK. That's why I'm still in the hand. And an auto-raise against a weak player is so tempting. Against CAZ 2p2'rs who know what I've got I can fold most times. Not all the time since I don't want them to take shots at me, but most times.

There is also no way to ever fold to this woman if you're holding any sort of a hand, so I can't fold to a 3-bet. If she wins, oh well, it's just on loan. And with me thinking that LP is always drawing to an Ace makes it even less likely that UTG+1 has AK.

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given this it seems like a clear call call.

it would be tougher if a) you MIGHT be able to fold to her 3bet, and/or b) the other two would likely call a turn raise w/ a worse hand, and/or c) the other two would have more outs than the 4 you estimate against you.

Barron

[cgrohman]

1.) I reccomend snorting the viocidin instead of swallowing. It is also good to take them with a beer, preferable something liek Michelob Ultra.

2.) For the love of God please raise to charge everyone else in this hand to draw out. Sure, you may be losing to KKK but she could also have AK or by your description of her 2 spades or even the other AA. I probably would have capped the flop for value as well.

[cgrohman]

I think the key to this hand is the 2 other players-- I'm not entirely convinced that we're ahead of the woman, but you have to face the other 2 players with 2 cold b/c I dont want them to call.

[Yads]

I'd just cap the flop, your equity is pretty large and you can't protect your hand in this large pot. Now raise the turn.

[Howard Beale]

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1.) I reccomend snorting the viocidin instead of swallowing. It is also good to take them with a beer, preferable something liek Michelob Ultra.

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Well, I don't want to wake up dead. However, be sure to watch for my '1 Vicodin, 1 Xanax, 1 Robe and 1 Massage Chair' post coming soon to OOT.

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2.) For the love of God please raise to charge everyone else in this hand to draw out. Sure, you may be losing to KKK but she could also have AK or by your description of her 2 spades or even the other AA. I probably would have capped the flop for value as well.

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Sounds too speedy to me. I must be getting old.

[Anacardo]

First of all you should definitely be capping the flop for value. When UTG threebets the pot is going to be 16 BB on the turn, making even two pair and gutshot draws marginally profitable on the turn for two cold. This isn't a situation where you can manipulate pot size, so cap it off.

Back to Beale-land, on the turn, assuming (big assumption) 100% confidence in your range (AA, KK, AK):

There is one combination of AA left in the deck and you will split 100% of the time.

There are three combinations of KK left in the deck and you have two outs to win.

There are three combinations of AK left in the deck and your opponent is drawing to two outs.

She can't have a flush draw b/c you have the As. Therefore since combinations and outs are equal, you will break even on every dollar that goes in assuming she never stops raising with any of these hands, which is not the greatest assumption. Anyway, you have a huge overlay against the other two jokers, so you definitely need to raise. The only real decision is whether to call UTG's threebet or cap. Being kind of a vag I would call threebet and call the river.

[Howard Beale]

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First of all you should definitely be capping the flop for value. When UTG threebets the pot is going to be 16 BB on the turn, making even two pair and gutshot draws marginally profitable on the turn for two cold. This isn't a situation where you can manipulate pot size, so cap it off.

Back to Beale-land, on the turn, assuming (big assumption) 100% confidence in your range (AA, KK, AK):

There is one combination of AA left in the deck and you will split 100% of the time.

There are three combinations of KK left in the deck and you have two outs to win.

There are three combinations of AK left in the deck and your opponent is drawing to two outs.

She can't have a flush draw b/c you have the As. Therefore since combinations and outs are equal, you will break even on every dollar that goes in assuming she never stops raising with any of these hands, which is not the greatest assumption. Anyway, you have a huge overlay against the other two jokers, so you definitely need to raise. The only real decision is whether to call UTG's threebet or cap. Being kind of a vag I would call threebet and call the river.

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Very nice, tx for the input.

Edit: Since you nailed it I figure this is a good place for the results:

I raised UTG+1's bet, LP and UTG called, UTG+1 3-bet, all called.

River: X.

UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, I call and hold my cards ready to toss into the muck, the other 2 fold and UTG+1 tables AK. Sometimes I wonder if I have any image at all.

[Nate.]

HB--

Yeah, I was actually going to say that you should discount AK if she knows you and adjusts to her opponents. On the other hand I think that {AA, KK, AK} isn't quite her absolute range, so maybe it evens out. The important thing is that you face the other two with two bets. Don't worry about liking it or not; just raise the turn and get your best shot at the money that's in the middle.

Whoever said that Susie might play Kx like this--

I usually don't like to talk about specific opponents, but anyone who's got enough critical thinking skills to read should know that Susie's about as likely to play Kx like this as I am to show up to the casino in a zebra-striped Speedo.

--Nate

[Howard Beale]

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HB--

Yeah, I was actually going to say that you should discount AK if she knows you and adjusts to her opponents.

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She knows me and apparently only plays her cards. The other reason that I was so ready to put her on exactly KK is because LP in the hand was just sooooo likely to hold an Ace when she called my raise. THAT woman knows not to mess w/ me.





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On the other hand I think that {AA, KK, AK} isn't quite her absolute range, so maybe it evens out. The important thing is that you face the other two with two bets. Don't worry about liking it or not; just raise the turn and get your best shot at the money that's in the middle.

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When I get 3-bet on a King high board after having been limp/raised pf what am I supposed to think? That she's gone off her medication? Anyway, tx, I made the raise as you've seen and said to myself 'Self, she's got to have top set but you can't fold, not to her you can't' when I got 3-bet.

Soon after the game got no good because of the MM and I left. On the way out I stopped at the next table and spoke to That_Pope and, pointing to the UTG+1 in the hand, 'complained' that she made me stop raising AA and I was going to post about it.

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Whoever said that Susie might play Kx like this--

I usually don't like to talk about specific opponents, but anyone who's got enough critical thinking skills to read should know that Susie's about as likely to play Kx like this as I am to show up to the casino in a zebra-striped Speedo.

--Nate

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Ouch! My guess: Susie's burned him a few times w/ her off-beat plays.

CAZ is building their hotel now. You'll be able to wear that Speedo at the pool in a year or so. I wonder how much they'll pay to stop me from showing up in mine.........