200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions

ASPoker8 · #1 10-25-2007, 07:25 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed)

Hero ($428.30)
UTG+1 ($350.60)
MP1 ($216.80)
MP2 ($61.95)
CO ($197)
Button ($124.65)
SB ($210)
BB ($200)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, CO calls $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, CO folds, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero raises to $80, BB raises to $176

Villain is MonsterKing, a multitabling 12/6/1.5

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed)

Button ($147.75)
SB ($214)
BB ($200)
UTG ($283.30)
MP1 ($267.35)
MP2 ($201)
Hero ($207.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 3 folds.

Flop: ($15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $8, Hero raises to $22, MP2 raises to $50, Hero calls $28.

Turn: ($115) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $40, MP2 calls $40.

River: ($195) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $105 (All-In)

Villain is menexus, a 13/9/3.5 multitabling guy. I don't really want to discuss the turn bet. I was planning on putting him on the installment plan so he'd be forced to call turn and river. I ended up misreading his stack size, I should have bet $60 or so on the turn and shoved river.

SABR42 · #2 10-25-2007, 08:14 AM

Hand 1:
Preflop and flop are obv fine. Against looser players you can bet the turn and shove river, but with his 12/6/1.5 stats, and no other reads, checking is probably best because these guys will fold 99 to a double barrel without history.

I would have raised a little more on the river, but as played it might be a fold. I really want to make a crying call and would probably call if I were at the table, but he's not going to 3-bet with worse hardly ever. His most likely hand is 77.

Hand 2:
I would raise slightly more on the flop the first time, just to bloat the pot a few dollars more to set up a bigger pot for later streets. I like the flat-call after he makes it $50, because he has plenty of room to get away if you shove (it's a horrible play but bad TAGs do it).

Bet more on the turn, but you already mentioned that. Call river.

ASPoker8 · #3 10-25-2007, 05:16 PM

bump?

CalledDownLight · #4 10-25-2007, 05:26 PM

I'm definitely calling in both of these.

futuredoc85 · #5 10-25-2007, 06:06 PM

fold 1 call 2 i guess, TT-QQ are in his PF range a lot

Bluegrassplayer · #6 10-25-2007, 06:07 PM

Call both, not even sure if I'd think about it.

alex-star · #7 10-25-2007, 06:12 PM

Hand 1.

I guess the only hand that he can have that beats you is 77. AA woulda prolly bumped PF/flop. Call.

Hand 2.

KK is out of question, so I guess that QQ is all we can fear here. I def call.

Proofrock · #8 10-25-2007, 06:22 PM

Hand 1: You only need to win 1 time in 3 to make calling profitable. I'm pretty much a nit, but I think 88-QQ are in his range often enough to call. I'd probably bet/fold the turn, though.

Hand 2: I can't fold a set getting 3 to 1 on a river when I was planning to shove myself anyway. I mean, do you seriously think you're behind here 75% of the time?

Mike Kelley · #9 10-25-2007, 06:59 PM

GRUNCH:

I think hand 1 is a call because there are more fullhouses that you beat than you don't and I can't find a hand a 12/6 plays that has a 6 in it.

I snap call hand 2, but it plays out weird. Why would he check call turn after that flop action? Is this a tough decision because you put him on an overpair and he shoved the river when the K hit?

Hklm8383 · #10 10-25-2007, 07:03 PM

hand 1 i think you gotta law y it down. He show up with 77 there like always.

hand 2 . Quick call