Two hands, two casinos, two villians, was $ left on the table?

[fishyak]

Hand 1: Hawaiian Gardens, typical LAPy table except a mildly LAG player in seat 4. Often, he is just a little too aggressive for the situation and overplays his holdings. Still, he hasn't caught with BS either. Hero is in seat 9, which is the BB with T5o (Oh, joy!)

PF: No raises, 6 players. Flop: T95, two [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s. Hero is first to act and bets out. One call, Villian raises, one call, two folds. Hero 3 bets, one fold, Villian caps, two calls. Villian caps??? I know he wants me. We have tangled to my benefit before. Do I respect the cap? 3 players.

Turn: a blank. I bet out. One call, Villian raises. A set? I go into call down mode.

River: Puts a 3rd heart on the board and it gets checked around. Lord knows why the 3rd player chased us all the way.

Showdown: Villian had 95s. MHIG. Did I back off too soon?

Hand 2: Commerce. Hero is in seat 1 and Villian is in seat 6. He plays almost ATC. If he has top pair, even if it is a 5, he'll bet it. He has been running really "goot", up 6 racks. He hasn't been caught with BS.

Hero has AA UTG+1. Raise, 4 callers including Villian. Flop is K9x, two diamonds. I have the A in [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]'s. I bet out. 1 caller, he raises, 1 fold, 1 call, I 3 bet, fold, Villian caps. Two pairs? Still 4 players. Villian's betting pattern screams 2 pairs and we have other chasers. Call down time. Too soon?

Turn is a blank. Villian bets. 4 callers. River also blanks except for a really weird str8. I am the only player to call the Villian.

I'll make this a two part question. Yes, MHIG, but what is Villian's holding and did I wimp out too soon?

[DeucesNeverLoses]

Sounds very results oriented IMO. I think you played both hands just fine. 3 towning turn in hand 1 is SUPER thin, esp. in a limped pot, and you obv. can't donk a heart river either ldo. Raising w/ just AA in hand 2 on turn is even thinner, since we have 3 others in hand.

What's MHIG?

[scpi10]

I can't figure out why you bet the turn in hand 1. Villian raised and capped the flop, what made you think he wouldn't raise you again on the turn?

[fishyak]

MHIG = My Hand Is Good. My question is genuine. I would have LOVED to get more $ out of these Villians. I think I played these OK. But round here, there are always plenty of people who disagree with me. Feel free to disagree with me. Just tell me why.

As to the poster questioning my bet out on the turn in Hand 1. I didn't trust Villian to not be capping a flush draw. Since it didn't hit, I wanted to test him and not allow a free card.

[Man of Means]

I might go for a checkraise on the turn in Hand 1 since the card changes nothing and you're still vulnerable to even a non-top kicker top pair. T9/set is definitely in his range but there could be other things (LAGs sometimes limp overpairs to add to their "deceptive play") As played it's OK to call down.

Hand 2 is similar to Hand 1 in terms of relative hand strengths and # of draws on the board. Hence you can bet/call turn and then check/call river UI like you did in #1, barring any aggression from the chasers.

BTW, LAG villain capping in either of these hands does not necessarily scream "made hand." With two diamonds and two high cards, combo draws like QJ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or low pair + two random diamonds could very well cap for value, free card, and fun gambool. Of course, LAGs rarely take the freebie when they smell weakness.

[One Outer]

Please don't give results in hand histories.

Is villain the lag in hand one? I don't mind the turn bet so much in hand one; at least you're not giving the free card with all the draws out there. Unless I find out villain is passive I like hand one.

Hand two is weird. Given villain in hand two I would have rather you tried a squeeze on the turn. The hand history sucks; I can't tell for sure how many callers there are when the action gets back to you on the turn. I think it's one, and if that's true I would have raised. Give the draws a chance to fold incorrectly and clean outs. Also, if he is truly laggy, it's often for value.

[fishyak]

I felt the Hand 1 flop was so poor that I didn't want to run the risk of it being checked around. In fact, I got what I wanted, a raise. Hand 2, I agree that my most vunerable spot was not betting out the turn the way I did in Hand 1.

Any guess on what the Villian in Hand 2 held?

[Man of Means]

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Any guess on what the Villian in Hand 2 held?

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It could be any number of things, his range is wide. But since this is probably going to be funny, I'll guess he had "his favorite hand, 9-5"

[fishyak]

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Any guess on what the Villian in Hand 2 held?

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It could be any number of things, his range is wide. But since this is probably going to be funny, I'll guess he had "his favorite hand, 9-5"

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No, actually, this isn't a funny answer question. Villian's play makes good sense from his POV. Post-flop, you might have played this same hand the same way Villian did. He took a good, strong, sensible line against me. What did he hold?

[Man of Means]

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No, actually, this isn't a funny answer question. Villian's play makes good sense from his POV. Post-flop, you might have played this same hand the same way Villian did. He took a good, strong, sensible line against me. What did he hold?

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I think it helps a lot to know which of the flop cards are the two diamonds. If it's Kc 9d Xd then anything like KJdd KQdd KTdd makes sense. If it's Kd 9c Xd then T9dd etc could be his hand. And he could have AK, because as you say "post-flop you might have played this the same way" - that comment would rule out QJdd JTdd QTdd etc. which should check behind and take the free card against a field.

But really, how can you expect anyone to pinpoint guess his hand?