JJ OOP vs a LAG

[2Paul2]

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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying...

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I think his bet size prolly means big pair+[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Even if it is a scared black QQ+ he wont fold it in rr pot for 150bs ime.

Jay I prolly play it the same. I might c/r flop an get it in w/ 100bb stacks given your history(esp if you think villain is aware you could be isoing a bad utg(?) light) but that gets a bit iffy w/ 150bb I think.

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So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...?

[rakes.a.beach]

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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying...

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I was actually thinking this too after I posted. Might be too spewy?

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it's not really turning it into a bluff. You're protecting your hand from getting drawn from overcards/flush draw.

I was considering this line. If villain has a bigger overpair, we're stacking. If he has AQ/AT/AJ and bluffs the K at the river, we have no idea where we're at. It makes our decision really tough on the river by just c/c turn.

I'd c/r turn or donk the turn.

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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying...

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I was actually thinking this too after I posted. Might be too spewy?

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it's not really turning it into a bluff. You're protecting your hand from getting drawn from overcards/flush draw.

I was considering this line. If villain has a bigger overpair, we're stacking. If he has AQ/AT/AJ and bluffs the K at the river, we have no idea where we're at. It makes our decision really tough on the river by just c/c turn.

I'd c/r turn or donk the turn.

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yep, as played, on turn either crai or c/f, both are marginal.

c/c is worst.

[Nick Royale]

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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying...

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This is terrible without a read imo. Not only does people like to stack off with JJ+ in this spot, but all those hands can easily have a decent fd.

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Villain isnt bluffing a blank/K river for a nrly full stack 100% of the time.

Where not playing Durr at 25/50 an it wouldnt necessarily be a gd play anyway.

[Casper05]

yuck...OOP vs a LAG I just 4bet/call

[therockofgibraltar]

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So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...?

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what are you talking about? I said I FOLD turn.

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Villain isnt bluffing a blank/K river for a nrly full stack 100% of the time.

Where not playing Durr at 25/50 an it wouldnt necessarily be a gd play anyway.

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You really think villain is going to check behind with unpaired hands on the King river? I don't think villain bluffs a blank river here with good frequency, but he's bluffing a K here a lot. Even with 88 and 99.

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So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...?

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what are you talking about? I said I FOLD turn.

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I wasn't responding to you. I was talking to the thread in general. Voicing my opionion... etc.