Fun with JTs, which bluff worked?

[homeboy604]

they both look like bluffs.

[Maulik]

2- I expect villains to call down with as little as TT.

[fishfather]

I'm in the hand 2 camp though I could see u winning both.

I don't like the reraise pre in hand 1, but once in a while it's ok.

I'd like hand 1 better if u bet the flop. Once the second ace hits it's so much less likely that either of u have one that your chances of getting called by a pair below aa goes up. Then again I think you see 40% of flops at 6 max and I always seem to lose pots like these to the 40% guys calling any preflop raise with any ace, so I may pitch my pp to your river bet.

[BalugaWhale]

honestly hand 1 is pretty bad
i hate pf
then i hate flop
then i slightly dislike turn
then i think river is pretty meh

hand 2:
looks ok

[Trivial]

don't really like your turn bet sizing on either hand
if either worked i suspect the first but they both kinda suck

[mythrilfox]

If you don't have an aggressive history I really like hand 1. The ace on the turn will make him much more likely to show up with 77-TT on the river, which I really can't see calling, and I think he will talk himself into a big fold with JJ sometimes, but I think qq-kk are probably calling. He'd probably 4-bet those preflop sometimes too, which works a lot in your favor of limiting his calling hand range. I'm sure he's calling any ace, but those lead/c'r turn a lot of the time.

on hand 2, do you bet the turn with 65/45? He is never calling with worse, and you don't get flat-called here very often IMO, except by 77/88 or maybe some weird middle 9 he decided to 3bet with. So betting the turn with a hand with showdown value + outs to boot doesn't make much sense here... if I were in his shoes that's what I would think, and I'd think you're representing basically a set, or possibly some weird 5xcc combo draw that floated the flop, both of which are pretty unlikely from a hand combination standpoint.

Also, the 7 isn't exactly great for you. it could have made him 2p or a set or a straight, since you said he's 3-betting so often. So like, given that you can float this flop with anything, and given that you will bet a float on the turn most of the time, and given the river came an irresistible bluffing card for someone who floated the flop and bluffed the turn, I don't really like this one. I think a 9 will be really tempted to call here, an overpair certainly will, and various 2p/sets/straights are in his range as well (though admittedly he would probably bet some of those on the river).

[cowpig]

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honestly hand 1 is pretty bad
i hate pf
then i hate flop
then i slightly dislike turn
then i think river is pretty meh

hand 2:
looks ok

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also, hu bluffs in RR pots are pretty ridiculous to judge in a vacuum imo, so I agree that hand 2 looks fine if the conditions are right but who knows

[mythrilfox]

I was just reading over the thread again, you all seriously think he check-calls the turn in hand 2 with just AK/AQ??? WTF? wouldn't he be better c/ring or betting those hands anyway?

[2cards2come]

hand 1 you are getting called down by 3 pair. hand 2 is fine.

[bigt439]

they both suck more than i thought they would when i opened this thread...

one is a great way to play a big hand because youre getting called by everything under the sun...

two is meh... i mean why did you decide to bluff the maniac? i think you get called by alot on the river... just make a hand and stack the guy playing 52/50... hes prob not good postflop if hes that bad pf... so hell call you too much.