possibly bizzare scenario, little help

[BobboFitos]

6handed table, what hand range is a +EV call if the 5 people ahead of you shove? (So, what hand range shows ~17%+ profit vs 5 random hands?)

[reno expat]

Assuming equal stacks and a standard 6-max payout structure of 65%/35% for 1st and 2nd, I can't see much being +EV to call with. Folding, your equity is about 40% of the tournament prize pool. So to call, you would need to win something pretty close 2/3 of the time to get more than 40% equity by calling (also this makes the assumption that if you call and lose you will be busted and never get the second place money).

[sence25]

This depends a lot on stacksizes, doesn't it?

[wiggs73]

Bobbo,

What ranges are they shoving? What are blinds and stack sizes? What's the payout structure?

[reno expat]

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This depends a lot on stacksizes, doesn't it?

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Very much so. I made a lot of simplifying assumptions in my answer above.

[fluorescenthippo]

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6handed table, what hand range is a +EV call if the 5 people ahead of you shove? (So, what hand range shows ~17%+ profit vs 5 random hands?)

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6handed table, what hand range is a +EV call if the 5 people ahead of you shove? (So, what hand range shows ~17%+ profit vs 5 random hands?)

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[futuredoc85]

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6handed table, what hand range is a +EV call if the 5 people ahead of you shove? (So, what hand range shows ~17%+ profit vs 5 random hands?)

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[BobboFitos]

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Assuming equal stacks and a standard 6-max payout structure of 65%/35% for 1st and 2nd, I can't see much being +EV to call with. Folding, your equity is about 40% of the tournament prize pool. So to call, you would need to win something pretty close 2/3 of the time to get more than 40% equity by calling (also this makes the assumption that if you call and lose you will be busted and never get the second place money).

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no no you dont understand, I mean in cash game, no pay out, so this isn't ICM. Just simply what range figures to be minimum 17% equity vs 5 other random hands.

[BobboFitos]

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Bobbo,

What ranges are they shoving? What are blinds and stack sizes? What's the payout structure?

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Cash game so no payout structure, we assume ATC.

The situation I'm describing is an all-in blind where everyone BUT YOU agrees, what hands show profit. There is a reason to this because it links with cash theory but it's somewhat complicated (and I need to know the initial answer before I can determine the link!!!)