JJ- under fire

[Bulletproof Monk]

my god thats a terrible board.

i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet

as played just call the river

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im 3 betting flop leading turn...c/r overcards/randomstuff on a paired board is pretty normal for a postflop lag against a tight player.

@Buzz
When we just call the flop, we cant fold on the turn. As played i cant find a fold HU against a postflop lag.

[KitCloudkicker]

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my god thats a terrible board.

i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet

as played just call the river

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if you're calling down a turn 3 bet i dont understand why you would raise it.

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my god thats a terrible board.

i probably raise the turn.... and cry if i get 3bet

as played just call the river

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i don't get it ... if you're raising the turn you have to fold to a 3bet -- putting in that many bets with JJ here against this action is out-of-line IMO (I don't think you are good often enough to wager that amount)

[Bulletproof Monk]

for value. a 44/11 usually has a weaker PP here.

AA/KK generally just b/3bet the flop

i put him on TT or less the majority of the time

[Buzz-cp]

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im 3 betting flop leading turn...c/r overcards/randomstuff on a paired board is pretty normal for a postflop lag against a tight player.

@Buzz
When we just call the flop, we cant fold on the turn. As played i cant find a fold HU against a postflop lag.

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we just got difecta'd (preflop & flop). His pfr is normal.

Buzz

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for value. a 44/11 usually has a weaker PP here.

AA/KK generally just b/3bet the flop

i put him on TT or less the majority of the time

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raise for value yes ... but calling a 3bet isn't

you can ditch small pairs and random crap and pretty much narrow his range down to something that kills you ...

i don't mind a raise - but when you take that line you have to fold ... you are putting in too many bets HU (IMO - when HU you must consider all bet you put into the pot)

so your bet/call line wagers (from the flop decision):

5:2 ... a lot different than slightly better than 3:1 wager