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Old 09-25-2007, 09:20 PM
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These games are soft.

That being said, anyone who is speculating on ROI is doing just that - speculating, unless they have played a [censored]-ton of these games. The variance is way way way higher than one table games because the payouts are larger, but getting paid doesn't happen as often as in single table games; therefore you need a way way way larger sample size to figure out what a truly good ROI would be.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:17 PM
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Are the $1 45-man games supersoft?

I have both of the HOH books and Im thinking about giving these games a shot to start building up a bankroll.

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Old 09-25-2007, 10:53 PM
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a) no conclusive info on attainable or solid 45 man ROIs
b) any sngs at the 1-6 levels are going to be very beatable. 9 man, 18 man, 45 man, 180 million man.
c) in my experience variance is heavier in the 45s than the single tables, and this alone is pretty disheartening to play them in volume.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:01 PM
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c) in my experience variance is heavier in the 45s than the single tables, and this alone is pretty disheartening to play them in volume.

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theyre so fun when you win, theyre addicting.... then you go 20 games or more without cashing and they suck.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:44 AM
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837 games played at 6.50$ at 28% ROI
740 games played at 11$ at 20% ROI
147 games played at 27$ at 38% ROI

My biggest downswing in the 6$ ones has been 200$ through 35 games

My biggest downswing in the 11$ ones has been 450$ through 50 games

Be prepared for some nasty downswings if you play these. I play these about 20-28 at a time so I don't really feel the downswings over long time periods. I don't even think I play these optimally and I still make a profit.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:20 PM
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do you think 28% is a good mark at 6.50$? I was hoping to achieve something much higher than that, as I really think 50 or even higher is possible. I was playing sessions of 15-20, and have already had the swings of thinking I'm going to 0fer, to winding up with a very positive session. However I feel like I can play close to if not above 28% in the 6.50 two tables, and they take less time.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:54 PM
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People who think its possible to run at 60%+ roi in these things are delusional. They're usually the people who are on the upswing of variance and with their absurd samplesize of like 200ish games think that this is acheivable in the long run. I can't wait to see them hit them hit that 30-40 buy in downswing and see their roi drop 50%.

In the 6.5s, I think 45% or slightly higher is attainable for an excellent player with great understanding of push fold and ICM. But don't delude yourself enough into thinking you are one of the elites who can achieve this long run. The people who can usually don't play these stakes and move up higher. Find a reasonable attainable roi you think you can acquire at your current skill level.

I believe my current roi is at 25%-30% in these and thats due to me playing the 45 turbos 20-30 simultaneously. I make a decent amount of misclicks and I only have about 3 seconds to make a decision so my play is not optimal yet I still make a good profit in these due to how soft they are.

Here are the stats of a few good regulars at the $6.5 45 turbos who have a meaningful samplesize.

Player 1: 2139 games, 27% roi, 3719 profit
Player 2: 1163 games, 38% roi, 2887 profit
Player 3: 1405 games, 40% roi, 3624 profit
Player 4: 1882 games, 44% roi, 5443 profit

Hope these stats help. Also don't forget that you will periodically hit one of those 150$+ downswings in the 6$ turbos and thats gonna suck ass.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:54 PM
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Would the non turbos be slightly easier if your just getting started?
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Old 09-26-2007, 05:15 PM
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People who think its possible to run at 60%+ roi in these things are delusional. They're usually the people who are on the upswing of variance and with their absurd samplesize of like 200ish games think that this is acheivable in the long run. I can't wait to see them hit them hit that 30-40 buy in downswing and see their roi drop 50%.

In the 6.5s, I think 45% or slightly higher is attainable for an excellent player with great understanding of push fold and ICM. But don't delude yourself enough into thinking you are one of the elites who can achieve this long run. The people who can usually don't play these stakes and move up higher. Find a reasonable attainable roi you think you can acquire at your current skill level.

I believe my current roi is at 25%-30% in these and thats due to me playing the 45 turbos 20-30 simultaneously. I make a decent amount of misclicks and I only have about 3 seconds to make a decision so my play is not optimal yet I still make a good profit in these due to how soft they are.

Here are the stats of a few good regulars at the $6.5 45 turbos who have a meaningful samplesize.

Player 1: 2139 games, 27% roi, 3719 profit
Player 2: 1163 games, 38% roi, 2887 profit
Player 3: 1405 games, 40% roi, 3624 profit
Player 4: 1882 games, 44% roi, 5443 profit

Hope these stats help. Also don't forget that you will periodically hit one of those 150$+ downswings in the 6$ turbos and thats gonna suck ass.

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wtf? 20-30?
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Old 09-26-2007, 06:29 PM
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wtf? 20-30?


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Are they really starting up that often?? That seems like a bit much.
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