nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn

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This may be super-standard, but I'm very inexperienced at NL, so please bear with me...

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $93.25
BB: $104.35
UTG: $102.95
UTG+1: $99.60
MP1: $215.10
MP2: $27.45
Hero (MP3): $135.20
CO: $37.05
BTN: $19.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, CO calls $4.00, 2 folds, BB calls $3.00, UTG+1 calls $3.00

Flop: ($16.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO folds, BB calls $16.00, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($48.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero...

[thac]

Make it 5 preflop, flop is fine, turn is fine if you made it like 34.

[BombayBadboy]

That 4 is a good card. 38, call a shove.

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That 4 is a good card. 38, call a shove.

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

Villain is unknown...if he shoves, aren't I drawing to either 2 outs (against trips/FH) or 4 outs (straight) the vast majority of the time? Is this a call I really want to me making? (This isn't the line I took, but this is one of the outcomes that was bothering me as I was looking at the hand in retrospect.)

Or are 55, 66, 88, 99, FD shoving often enough to make the call profitable? I understand if I give him this range, then it becomes a math problem, but I'm just wondering if "typical" opponents in these games are really pulling moves like this?

[wdead]

bet/call

[Jamougha]

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

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No, if you bet then his all in will be like a half pot raise and you will be getting 3:1. Basically here you have to bet for value, and if you bet for value you have to call since you've put in half the effective stacks and it's the turn.

[ellington1641]

I think you have to add A6 and A5 of spades to the villain's range. And A4 of spades, which you're now trailing.

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

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No, if you bet then his all in will be like a half pot raise and you will be getting 3:1. Basically here you have to bet for value, and if you bet for value you have to call since you've put in half the effective stacks and it's the turn.

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Gah. I'm dumb. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

FWIW, my thought process at the time was:
- folding seems unwise (and I don't think the software at this site allows it anyway)
- checking is out of the question
- so, bet...the amount was what I was getting hung up on.

So, thanks all...I understand this situation a lot better now.