A difficult river

[SNOWBALL]

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Well I bet the river, and the villain smoothly puts out 12 chips.

Should I call here never? seldom? often? always?


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Yeah fold. I can't put him on a hand you beat.

[ackid]

C/C and try to induce a bluff from AK.

[Bluffoon]

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C/C and try to induce a bluff from AK.

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[Munchkin Mayor]

Now you have to fold. Too bad.

[Yads]

Check call the river would be very bad, he'll just check right back with AK most of the time. Bet fold is definitely the way to go.

[tessarji]

Ok, time to come clean about this hand.

The hand did happen exactly as posted, but in reality I was the button. I 3-bet the under-the-gun raiser with 77.

What is my point here? Well, I feel river bet/fold lines are advocated too often here on the 2+2 forums. So much so, that I have started trying elaborate raise-bluff lines on boards with lots of draws, against players I perceive to be possible 2+2ers.

My results are mixed - out of 5 attempted raise-bluffs, all on different tables, 3 have been successful. I try them in heads-up pots about 10BB in size, where I judge that the other player pretty much has to have only one pair.

I'm not saying necessarily that 3-betting an tight UTG raiser with 77 is good, or that spending 3.5 BB after the flop to win a 4.5 BB pot is wise. But if I see you at the tables and I think you can make a 'good' fold in a medium pot, it's only a matter of time before I come after you.

[KitCloudkicker]

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Ok, time to come clean about this hand.

The hand did happen exactly as posted, but in reality I was the button. I 3-bet the under-the-gun raiser with 77.

What is my point here? Well, I feel river bet/fold lines are advocated too often here on the 2+2 forums. So much so, that I have started trying elaborate raise-bluff lines on boards with lots of draws, against players I perceive to be possible 2+2ers.

My results are mixed - out of 5 attempted raise-bluffs, all on different tables, 3 have been successful. I try them in heads-up pots about 10BB in size, where I judge that the other player pretty much has to have only one pair.

I'm not saying necessarily that 3-betting an tight UTG raiser with 77 is good, or that spending 3.5 BB after the flop to win a 4.5 BB pot is wise. But if I see you at the tables and I think you can make a 'good' fold in a medium pot, it's only a matter of time before I come after you.

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i dont think most live players think like this when they make river raises, however.

[Triantafylidis]

i think a c/c here is the most EV+ in this situation. If he has a hand that beats you hes raising river, if u check, it may induce an AK bluff bet and then you rake.

[MitchL]

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i think a c/c here is the most EV+ in this situation. If he has a hand that beats you hes raising river, if u check, it may induce an AK bluff bet and then you rake.

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Lol @ AK ever betting here. What hand that 4 bets pf check/folds this river?

[chillrob]

So what actually happened on the river here?
Is the QQ villian's actual hand? Did you try the bluff raise and he called?