Should I hate myself for c/c'ing the whole way? - Page 2

Howard Beale · #11 08-21-2007, 01:29 AM

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Why would PF be a fold? AJo... 6 handed?

And i agree you should put in some action on the flop. I would probably C/R the flop and see what he does, but maybe a better line would be to bet/call and then lead the turn?

Oh and my advice doesnt matter really anyway; i just noticed we have a foul deck. Call for a setup.

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I'm a lousy proof-reader. Pick either red Ace for the flop.

Howard Beale · #12 08-21-2007, 01:44 AM

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Well played, river has to be close to a check/fold. If you call the river bet its a crying call.

-DeathDonkey

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Thanks! By what you, PJ and most others have had to say I feel better about the way I played the hand. It's just that I always feel lame when I take such a passive line but I was thinking just what PJ had to say. It's a WA/WB hand and I don't want him to fold an underpair and I don't want to pay the max to showdown.

Sailboats · #13 08-21-2007, 02:52 AM

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Maybe you could tell us your plan for the rest of the hand after you CR the flop. What are you hoping to acclomplish?

BTW, nice meeting you last night. Congrats on the solid score.

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Yea i try and get to fancy it seems sometimes. Well i think everyone is right and the best way to play is as a WA/WB situation, but i think it does change when you have a read on the player and C/C might not be the best line. And even if you did C/R this flop most people i see, don't fold a medium/big PP on this flop, especially with the flush draw.

Oh nice meeting you surf, I guess i did play with you one time before in a MM game. I had you pegged as a rock, but you were probably were just card dead heh. Did you change to my table? it calmed down a bit but there was one player worth staying for.

Chris Daddy Cool · #14 08-21-2007, 03:10 AM

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Well played, river has to be close to a check/fold. If you call the river bet its a crying call.

-DeathDonkey

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hardly close and hardly crying, more like "guh, whatever, i call" and sometimes you lose sometimes you win.

SNOWBALL · #15 08-21-2007, 03:34 AM

Why not checkcall the flop and turn, and then bet/fold on the river?

SNOWBALL · #16 08-21-2007, 03:43 AM

If the turn wasn't a club, I can see B/Fing the turn.

tessarji · #17 08-21-2007, 03:48 AM

What is this rash of people posting hands they play well? Someone please post a terrible spew-fest so we can point and laugh.

Nice hand Howard.

surfdoc · #18 08-21-2007, 03:50 AM

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Maybe you could tell us your plan for the rest of the hand after you CR the flop. What are you hoping to acclomplish?

BTW, nice meeting you last night. Congrats on the solid score.

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Yea i try and get to fancy it seems sometimes. Well i think everyone is right and the best way to play is as a WA/WB situation, but i think it does change when you have a read on the player and C/C might not be the best line. And even if you did C/R this flop most people i see, don't fold a medium/big PP on this flop, especially with the flush draw.

Oh nice meeting you surf, I guess i did play with you one time before in a MM game. I had you pegged as a rock, but you were probably were just card dead heh. Did you change to my table? it calmed down a bit but there was one player worth staying for.

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You are right that they don't fold on the flop. They often peel to save face and then fold on the turn. I am not advocating never CRing this flop. It is just not the best play IMO in this particular spot given the villian's description. Now, if the game was shorthanded or there was a lot of posturing and hands played against this villian then I would CR the flop not infrequently since I will also be doing it sometimes without an ace especially if I feel my opponent is folding too many turns and exploitable.

As far as your other questions, I didn't swtich games. I went on a mini 1.5 rack rush and decided to head to the cage and go mess around with a friend/student of mine that was playing 4/8.

I have historically played on the tighter side of TAG so it doesn't surprise me that you thought I was a rock if I got no hands. I think at this point I am trying to play too many hands and my isolation raises and steals are probably pushing the envelope of what is profitable. I sometimes miss my old discipline but still think that when the hands aren't coming it is then the real test to keep folding and avoid playing hands that you know are unprofitable and foldable in the first orbit of your session. Sometimes when sitting with mike we make side bets on who can fold the most. This would seem like a ++EV bet for me but that dude can fold with the best of them. He actually had the nerve to tell me today that I need to tighten up preflop. Hehe, that was a good one.

I don't know what "MM" means BTW.

Howard Beale · #19 08-21-2007, 04:16 AM

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Why not checkcall the flop and turn, and then bet/fold on the river?

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That's a good line and is why I titled the post as I did. However, I don't know that I could b/f the river and also if I bet he's not going to pay off w/ a worse hand but he might fire that 3rd barrel in desperation. We respect each other's play which is one of the reasons that I was unsure what to do in the hand.

Your other suggestion is good too.

DeathDonkey · #20 08-21-2007, 04:34 AM

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Well played, river has to be close to a check/fold. If you call the river bet its a crying call.

-DeathDonkey

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hardly close and hardly crying, more like "guh, whatever, i call" and sometimes you lose sometimes you win.

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Chris you are a young asian kid and play with california people. Howard is an older white guy who plays with the casino AZ folk, I'm surprised the guy didn't turn up AK and check it down on the river [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey