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Old 08-16-2007, 09:18 PM
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Oh, I never meant to suggest that you aren't a winning player - my comments are in the context of what I see as an unsustainably high W$WSF for 6 max.

As far as ditributions of hands, I remember a post from back in the day talkin about reasonable percentages for both being dealt and winning with various hands (one pair, flush, etc...) except I can't find it... and this from the sticky isn't the post I remember.

Also, resend me the hand swap files, the attachments didn't come through in your email...

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trypt, sethypooh,
there was a post or two by krishna, i think, involving figuring out whether you're running good. too lazy to look right now, sry.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:20 AM
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I feel a little bad about this one, because if not for this thread, I probably fold PF:

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(vmacosta)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(vmacosta)/ caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">vmacosta bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, vmacosta calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">vmacosta raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, vmacosta calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, vmacosta calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5d 5c (straight, five high).
vmacosta has Ad Ks (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB. </font>
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:06 AM
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I feel a little bad about this one, because if not for this thread, I probably fold PF:

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(vmacosta)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(vmacosta)/ caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">vmacosta bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, vmacosta calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">vmacosta raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, vmacosta calls.

River: (12.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, vmacosta calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5d 5c (straight, five high).
vmacosta has Ad Ks (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB. </font>

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That's the best you can do, sethypooh [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]? at least i had a friggin pair that hand.

My god, I was playing so tilty and crappy tonight it makes that hand look like a piece of cake. there was a hand where i capped pf, went three bets on a kc6h2c flop, and capped the turn when it came a rag club. i thought i had acjc for some reason. i think i was hallucinating cuz i had aj no club. the river went check/check after i finally realized what i had. the funniest thing is that the villain had tc9x and rivered a pair of t's for the win.

til then i though i had a chance of getting untilted and playing my way out of the hole i dug but that hand pretty much ended all that nonsense.
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:09 AM
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lol I hate when that happens.
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:16 AM
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lol I hate when that happens.

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A mistake I've made several times is thinking that 86o is either 66 or 88 for some reason. Which leads me to do idiot [censored] like

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($200)
Button ($31)
SB ($200.90)
Hero ($375.05)
UTG ($211.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $31</font>, SB calls $30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $375.05</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($441.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($441.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($441.05) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $97

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 6d 8h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Button has 9h 9d (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $97. </font>
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:22 AM
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lol I hate when that happens.

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here's the hand. oh well i guess i can chalk it up as an image play [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

River: (16.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Js Ad (high card, ace).
Button has Td 9c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Button wins 16.25 BB. </font>
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:04 AM
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why do you (based on stove results) 3-bet 55 out of SB vs an sane thinking 2+2 villain?
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:06 AM
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why do you (based on stove results) 3-bet 55 out of SB vs an sane thinking 2+2 villain?

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2+2ers must be [censored] with.
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:02 AM
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[ QUOTE ]
Oh, I never meant to suggest that you aren't a winning player - my comments are in the context of what I see as an unsustainably high W$WSF for 6 max.

As far as ditributions of hands, I remember a post from back in the day talkin about reasonable percentages for both being dealt and winning with various hands (one pair, flush, etc...) except I can't find it... and this from the sticky isn't the post I remember.

Also, resend me the hand swap files, the attachments didn't come through in your email...

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trypt, sethypooh,
there was a post or two by krishna, i think, involving figuring out whether you're running good. too lazy to look right now, sry.

[/ QUOTE ] I think this is it.
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:39 PM
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why do you (based on stove results) 3-bet 55 out of SB vs an sane thinking 2+2 villain?

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.742% 52.21% 00.54% 1399868712 14380440.00 { 33+, A4s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 47.258% 46.72% 00.54% 1252838472 14380440.00 { 55 }

I think this is good enough reason--it's only a fold if im a chezlaw tighty.
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