Weird line people have been taking vs. me lately

[vmacosta]

People generally love to weirdplay me cuz I'm too loose and agro in their opinion. However, this line is kinda awkward and while I think I know what to do in online 6max games, I'm not so sure about live.

Live 30/60
Villain1 is a passive tight player who is prob .75 bb/hour winner.

He opens 5 off the button and I 3-bet in HJ with QQ, all fold to him and he calls.

Flop is K75r
He c/r's me, I call.
Turn is 5, he checks...

Villain2 is a self-taught live pro who probably has the same WR as the other guy but he plays much less logically and a fair amount looser. He has medium aggression.

I open 4 off the button with Tc9c, folded to Villain2 who calls in SB (2/3 structure) and BB folds.
Flop is:
Qc 5h 2d
He cr's me, I call.
Turn is Jc,
he checks...

[MitchL]

So you are known to pop alot of turns so am I. obv a bet accomplishes nothing so just get to sd in hand 1 and river your 15 outer in hand 2.

Obv bet if checked to on river in hand 1.

[vmacosta]

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So you are known to pop alot of turns so am I. obv a bet accomplishes nothing so just get to sd in hand 1 and river your 15 outer in hand 2.

Obv bet if checked to on river in hand 1.

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yeah you're prob right, this thread is gonna suck, huh

[MitchL]

Lol, no. The premise is great. Hopefully, someone who has thought more about this will chime in.

[DeuceKicker]

Raising T9s in EP (or EMP if you're being generous) might be contributing to your image.

[MitchL]

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Raising T9s in EP (or EMP if you're being generous) might be contributing to your image.

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Which is part of the point in doing it.

[elindauer]

In hand 1, you can make an exploitable bet / fold with a fair amount of confidence. Very few players will check-raise bluff when they have the initiative. I mean, why check-raise bluff when you can just bet and get just as many folds? It takes ridiculous courage... or stupidity, however you want to look at it.

Given that, his turn check looks very much like he wants to show down and is afraid to bet into you because you are aggressive. Value bet turn and river, get paid by everything.

hand 2: it's much harder to say. Obviously you'd lean toward checking given the logic in hand 1, as your opponent appears to be scared but ready to showdown. Then again, your huge draw means you are probably getting 15:1 to semibluff this turn, maybe even more since it's possible a T or 9 could even be could on the river.

I guess if the guy plays goofy poker you have to bet. check-raise / check-fold is a pretty weird line, but this guy should do it often enough to justify a bet given the odds you are receiving.

good luck.
Eric

[esspo]

Hand 1 is an easy value-bet on the turn. If you get check raised I think with your image I'd 3-bet.

Hand 2. It sounds like your image sucks. Fold pre-flop, failing that check behind on the flop, failing that fold to the flop check/raise, failing that for god's sake check behind on the turn now that you have some outs.

[vmacosta]

Elindauer,
I agree wholeheartedly with you about hand 1 if this were online 6max against a 30/20/2. Does the fact that this is full ring live against a 18/13/2 change things?

As for hand 2, I just don't see anybody folding on this street. Maybe if I bet/bet I can get a fold though...

[vmacosta]

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Hand 1 is an easy value-bet on the turn. If you get check raised I think with your image I'd 3-bet.



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esspo, plz elaborate, this is not obvious to me at all.