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Old 05-08-2007, 09:54 AM
ArmenH ArmenH is offline
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Default Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

Playing $7.50/15 deep stack on FTP. My image is a passive nit, been been check calling and check folding alot. I've shown down 3 hands thus far and each time I've had the goods. Villain in hand is Stuart Patterson, played with him before and he doesn't seem that great, kinda irratic. What is my river line here? And what do you think of my turn line?


Full Tilt Poker Game #2370580005: Table Cope (deep 6) - $7.50/$15 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:15:53 ET - 2007/05/07
Seat 1: Champalafagus ($3,216)
Seat 3: thedegeneral ($6,958)
Seat 4: Stuart Paterson ($2,496)
Seat 5: mastrblastr ($4,258)
Seat 6: David Singer ($1,723.35)
thedegeneral posts the small blind of $7.50
Stuart Paterson posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Champalafagus [Ts Ah]
mastrblastr folds
David Singer folds
Champalafagus raises to $52.50
thedegeneral folds
Stuart Paterson calls $37.50
*** FLOP *** [8d 6h Ks]
Stuart Paterson checks
Champalafagus bets $89
Stuart Paterson calls $89
*** TURN *** [8d 6h Ks] [Ad]
Stuart Paterson checks
Champalafagus checks
mastrblastr: k
*** RIVER *** [8d 6h Ks Ad] [7c]
Stuart Paterson checks
Champalafagus bets $159.95
Stuart Paterson raises to $959.95
Champalafagus????????????????
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Old 05-08-2007, 10:22 AM
Green6RR Green6RR is offline
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

Villain sees you as a tight passive player and puts you probably on AK-AT.

Villain floats the flop thinking he will buy the pot on turn/river.

Turn is A -> bad card for villain. Pot is about 280$ so he knows he probably can't push you off the hand by leading. You check behind (for pot control?) and Villain knows you don't have AK.

On river pot is still only about 280$ and he knows he still can't push you off the hand by leading. You make a valuebet here correctly and villain pulls the old check-raise-bluff move knowing you are capable of laying the hand down. Check-raising was his only possible move to win the pot with air.

My guess is you folded and he showed you QJ or something like that.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

Fold... quick
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:40 AM
ArmenH ArmenH is offline
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

Why should I fold quick. What is he trying to rep that beats me?
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

2pair
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:28 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

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2pair

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or a set
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

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Why should I fold quick. What is he trying to rep that beats me?

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With the action up to the river, he will expect you to bet just about anything with any kind of showdown value (as well as some bluffs). This makes checkraising his good hands much better than leading with them. He might be bluffing, but he's never checkraising worse for value.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

honestly this is seldom a bluff, basically what ghazban said
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

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Why should I fold quick. What is he trying to rep that beats me?

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2 straights got there.. set, 2 pair.. are less likely but still possible... and your not exactly getting good odds to call.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Flatlanman3 Flatlanman3 is offline
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Default Re: Facing huge river check raise with top pair........

theres no way villian could have played a set this bad... it has to be either the straight or nothing... and he knows what u have
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