Which street is bad? All of it? None of it? Damn you good...?

[DaveC101]

I feel if you get to the flop, there's no way you should fold..If you decide to call his 3-bet preflop, you can't be afraid to get it in with this. If an ace came on the flop, sure you would beat QQ or KK but, very possible he could have AK or AQ and beat you that way. And if you call and are behind, maybe you'll hit a set, two pair, or backdoor flush.

[Jamsym]

[ QUOTE ]
I feel if you get to the flop, there's no way you should fold..If you decide to call his 3-bet preflop, you can't be afraid to get it in with this. If an ace came on the flop, sure you would beat QQ or KK but, very possible he could have AK or AQ and beat you that way. And if you call and are behind, maybe you'll hit a set, two pair, or backdoor flush.

[/ QUOTE ]

Calling 3 bets with AJ and then stacking off everytime we flop a pair is a pretty fast way to lose a lot of money imo.

[DaveC101]

True, but what other hand to you really expect to hit? All i meant is that if you plan on playing into the flop, folding with TPTK is kinda weak. It all really depends on your read on the opponent. A lot of players 3-bet with a very wide range of hands, especially in position against a potential stealer.

[DaveC101]

Just to add, folding pre-flop isn't a bad play at all either.

[jlocdog]

DaveC101,

Patience with the results. they will come after some hopefully good discussion. Regardless though theyshould be meaningless. Rather try to reason out which line you like and why. What does each play represent and what are your motives in the hand.

Jamsym,

"Calling 3 bets with AJ and then stacking off everytime we flop a pair is a pretty fast way to lose a lot of money imo."

Who said anything about "everytime." Don't treat hands like this generically. AJ here in a BvB battle is different then if positions were different, ie. HJ vs. BTN or UTG vs. SB.

Stackinboxes,

I did c/r. Not sure what your post means.

All who say c/c flop,

How do you react to a club/Q/K turn? Also, is getting in the last bet here really that essential? I don't think either of us feels we have any FE (nor may want any) so why the focus on getting money in first?

[terp]

josh,

preflop:

i don't hate the call but i think we have to figure to have a significant edge postflop. i'm not sure how often that occurs with these stacks, these positions, and this hand.

flop:

c/r is definitely not the "typical" line here. this is fine, of course, but i'd bet less to give him the impression of some fold equity. in general though i would not expect to get bluffshoved on on this board after putting in 1/2 his stack in a RR pot, so i'm not sure what sort of mistake you are hoping to induce here.

i would probably c/c the flop. if we get him to put in money bad here it's probably when we check to him. having a club and an overcard improves our equity against his various semibluffing combos and makes protection slightly less important

[DaveC101]

My analysis:
Preflop: Blind vs. Blind...his 3 bet doesn't mean QQ-AA at all. He may assume you're trying to steal and he tries to resteal, figuring he has position on you in case you do call.

Flop: Pretty dry...flush draw's there. You check and he bets out 80 into 108. Doesn't really narrow his range down. With you checking, do you think he would check behind with a set? or maybe QQ-AA? To me, looks kind of like pair of Jacks, or 99/1010. When you reraise him, he may figure he only has 150 left if he called and will end up having all his money in the middle by the turn, so he might as well get it all in with KJ or QJ (possibly the flush draw as well) and try to make a tough decision for you.

If the play made it to the turn and a club came, or a Q or K, i would definitely consider folding to a strong raise, lots of his range would hit two pair, top pair over yours, or a flush.

Sorry if my thoughts seem messy or jumbled, just thinking out loud here.

[KingGordy]

I only call this pre if I feel really good getting my stack in on this board. I rarely call this pre.

[rand]

i usually fold pre
but if you are trying to get this in then i would donk the flop

[quickfetus]

Not sure about preflop.

I like the rest of the hand plenty.