20/40 I'm a Payoff Machine

[Yads]

You are no good on the river.

[that_pope]

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this is standard. Folding makes baby jesus cry.

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Standard for Commerce, or for everywhere, in your opinion? Because it sure isn't in mine.

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I pay off here with TT and JJ as well, just because that is in my style. I know I suck. I also paid off with J high a few weeks ago, and boy was I wrong. I like to make my laydowns in a heads up pot on the turn, since that saves me two bets. If I get to the river, I am a calling station (Yet you still bluffed me in that one kill pot! which makes it even more amazing)

[cgrohman]

How is JJ different from 22 or KJ for that matter in this hand?

[3rdCheckRaise]

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How is JJ different from 22 or KJ for that matter in this hand?

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It beats accidental hands that SB can make on the river like Kc5x or Jc8x. I call in this spot and catch a bluff more often then 1 out of 8 times.

[Moemar]

I agree, raising the turn is awful...but you might get him off of some hands?

My main point is, call turn/call river is awful...what are you beating besides a bluff? If you raise, you pay the same price as call/call (2bb) and you push him off of his pure bluffs, which in some cases, could draw out and beat you.

Why call/call? I think you make a decision, you either fold (best option) or raise and beat the bluffs outright. If he is already ahead....you are call/calling to do? what? pay him off?

[chesspain]

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Your line is fine until the river where you can fold against most players.

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[Moemar]

I guess that is true? But i struggle to think of another reasonable hand you beat on that river. When he comes out betting on the river, I think it's fold time (Although, I would probably fold on the turn)

[ProfessorBen]

Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

[NinaWilliams]

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Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

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Im not a fan of calling any of them, of course id rather have 99 than JJ though.

[bakku]

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Does anyone think it is ridiculous to call TT-99[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and fold JJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

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i would do the same thing with JJ that i would do with 99 on the river