10-20 v Mizzles w/ JJ

[MatthewRyan]

pretty much ya i do

[EmpireMaker2]

Shoving here is the worst option

[jfish]

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1435 back 1160 in the pot... you really think he calls the flop raise with AK/AQ?

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nah i dont. just a string of hypothetical questions with no point. standard.

[berserk]

Isn't mizzles tight? I have him at 19/12. And I certainly don't think hes calling AK/AQ on this flop really ever, I don't believe that thats actually standard for you Jfish

[Requin]

Yeah I shouldn't have phrased that as a question, I just don't think you see that here often enough to be caring about.

As to shoving I actually usually just bet/call here but I don't see a big difference.

[craig1120]

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dotn call pre if u are not getting all in here

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Let's say you have a sick read on villain that he raises 100% of hands UTG but he will only call your push in this spot w/ QQ+ so you decide not to get it all in here. Do you still advocate a fold preflop?

Extreme example but do you see how the two don't correlate?

[Triumph36]

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dotn call pre if u are not getting all in here

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Let's say you have a sick read on villain that he raises 100% of hands UTG but he will only call your push in this spot w/ QQ+ so you decide not to get it all in here. Do you still advocate a fold preflop?

Extreme example but do you see how the two don't correlate?

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no, i don't, because such a thing never happens.

the purpose for always shoving is simple - you don't repop pre to conceal the strength of your hand, and this is a perfect flop/turn for JJ.

the money's going in on some street.

[craig1120]

That sounds mathematically correct to me!

[Triumph36]

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That sounds mathematically correct to me!

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in your hypothetical you would repop PF 100000% of the time

[m3dude]

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against mizzles u should be getting this in every time here

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Getting it in here? On the turn? or VBing river?

I shoved turn, and when he snap-called QQ I felt like I had just been owned. But I do think he's capable of calling w/ 88 here - but I dunno. If I had to do it over again, I would check thru turn and take it from there.

The other issue is - if the turn comes 10d, and he leads for 850, can I call? Is he ever v-betting worse?

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betting turn, hes a huge calling station