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[pokerdoug1973]

Simple stupid argument. I have over 10 years as a poker floor/manager. I am an assistant mgr in a room and during a dealer meeting my boss and I disagreed with a situation that was questioned. I could be wrong, he could be wrong. Please let me know what those of you with experience in the business think. I think this is really simple and silly....No Limit tournament. Blinds are 100-200. UTG raises to 800, a raise of 600 units. next player goes all in for 900, one hundred more. The next player wants to raise the minimum. WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE PLAYER CAN RAISE? 1.) raise to 1400? 2.) raise to 1500?

[MrFizzbin]

amount of the last raise is 600, 800 is the total 600+800=1400. If you say the amount of the bet must be doubled then it would be 1600, but 1500 is clearly wrong.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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amount of the last raise is 600, 800 is the total 600+800=1400. If you say the amount of the bet must be doubled then it would be 1600, but 1500 is clearly wrong.

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As the other posters have mentioned under "current rules" 1500 is NOT "clearly wrong". OTOH, I'm not sure it's clearly right either. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

But I do think this problem illustrates that the "double the bet" rule used at Hawaiian Gardens might be the best rule for modern no limit.

~ Rick

[Photoc]

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WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE PLAYER CAN RAISE? 1.) raise to 1400? 2.) raise to 1500?

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On a side note, players min raising or even worrying what a min raise is after a bet/raise/mini all in, would raise a flag about collusion to me.

[zepthiir]

an all in for 100 more than a 600 raise does not qualify as a raise, only as a call as far as betting action goes so the minimum the next player can raise should be 1400.

[fatshark]

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an all in for 100 more than a 600 raise does not qualify as a raise, only as a call as far as betting action goes so the minimum the next player can raise should be 1400.

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I agree with this. The min. raise would come to a total of 1400. 200 blind, raise 600 more to 800. Min raise would be 600+600+200.

[pokerdoug1973]

Thank you for your responses. It is my belief, that the players raise all in for 100 more is action only and does not count as a bet or a raise, so the minimum raise of 600 units still applies. 1400 was my answer.

[JohnnyGroomsTD]

I say 1500. Although the 100 does not count as a "raise", any raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. Would the situation be different if the player went all in for 1075? It changes the dynamics of the hand.

Bob Ciaffone actually wrote an article about this, as well as the aggregate total of sevreal all ins that eventually go over the full bet threshhold(which he felt reopened the betting). Wow was that a bunch of unclear crap.

[todd1007]

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an all in for 100 more than a 600 raise does not qualify as a raise, only as a call as far as betting action goes so the minimum the next player can raise should be 1400.

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fail

[psandman]

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WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE PLAYER CAN RAISE? 1.) raise to 1400? 2.) raise to 1500?

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On a side note, players min raising or even worrying what a min raise is after a bet/raise/mini all in, would raise a flag about collusion to me.

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Come on Photoc, You know there are lots of players out there who really don't get it, and just always make the minimum raise unles sthey are pushing all-in