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Old 10-12-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default why does this forum care so much about religion

I debate religion sometimes and my main motive is usually to be mean. I cannot think of another subject where I can pawn someone to a ridiculous extent as much as religion. Its like arguing with a child who thinks Santa Clause exists. People who believe in Christianity aren't going to change their mind when you present logic reasoning. If they were interested in logical reasoning, they wouldn't be Christians. If person makes it past the age of eight-teen and there aren't already huge doubts in their mind of Jesus's existence, there is nothing you can do.

So shouldn't we find something more interesting to discuss regardless of the ego boost it gives us to rip the zealots?
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:34 PM
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well as I have posted before, it is the foundation of our anglosaxon legal system.

I mean the bible.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:35 PM
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Math and science are not arguable thus the interest in religion.

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Old 10-12-2007, 01:50 PM
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Math and science are not arguable thus the interest in religion.

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Science isn't arguable?
Which scientific position today is not open to question? The edges are even of interest to a layman.

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Old 10-12-2007, 01:57 PM
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Math and science are not arguable thus the interest in religion.

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Science isn't arguable?
Which scientific position today is not open to question? The edges are even of interest to a layman.

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One might even say that science _being_ arguable makes it what it is.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:35 PM
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One might even say that science _being_ arguable makes it what it is.

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Point is...Try and make a point to a scientist and he will ask for rigorous proof. Not arguable diatribes.

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Old 10-12-2007, 02:41 PM
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One might even say that science _being_ arguable makes it what it is.

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Point is...Try and make a point to a scientist and he will ask for rigorous proof. Not arguable diatribes.

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Proof is harder to get in these days of raw material costs.

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Old 10-12-2007, 02:42 PM
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One might even say that science _being_ arguable makes it what it is.

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Point is...Try and make a point to a scientist and he will ask for rigorous proof. Not arguable diatribes.

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It is actually quite amazing how much science is based not on rigorous proof, but sufficient proof - or probable proof.

And actually in a few cases you have examples where it is based on flawed proof, improbable proof and sometimes bad proof that you expect will get better (the hubble constant is a classic example of the last one).

It doesn't mean these cases are bad per se, sometimes it is just necessary to have somewhere to start with and at other times the models you get will have good predictive value still.

The important thing is that science is (ideally) in the cases where these things are done, aware of it in method. Iow. that the scientists know what they are using and why. This is the 'scientific' approach that is so important.

A simple analogy would be for instance if you were go shopping, and you want strawberries. But it is out of season so you don't remember how much they are. You assume they will be something along the lines of what they cost last winter + the normal increase in price. It isn't foolproof, not does it necessarily exact - but until you can expand on your knowledge (was it a good harvest/bad harvest, has there been strikes, is strawberries popular or not this year, how does the prize differ from store to store etc.) it it is 'good enough' and the predictive value is good.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:35 PM
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My thoughts regarding just about everything have changed drastically between the age of 20 and 25.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:47 PM
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Theism is a problem in our world. Understanding how the mind of a theist works may allow us to deal more effectively with it. Even if it's just a matter of learning how to compromise with them to lessen the impact.

It's not a matter of winning converts from the committed, it's learning the attractions it has for the non-committed so the alternative of taking a rational approach to life is more open to them. What psychological need is being met by religion that can be addressed without the need to take on superstition and myth and how to provide something in it's place.

You're likely right about the 18ish age as getting ingrained, but it varies with the person and the depth of indoctrination. They're getting past the most questioning time of their life by then and if they haven't any doubts of any strength they're not likely to unless they have an adverse reaction to a bad experience. Late defection does occur but it'd be foolish to expect much turnover there.

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