Aces WTF, FTOPS #1

[skier_5]

I'm new to the table and have no reads or stats. I can't get either lego or FTR to convert so I guess I'll just post it like this.

I really feel like I'm ahead of utg's range but have no idea what to make of sb's.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3196353891: FTOPS Event #1 (22618705), Table 175 - 140/280 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:31:14 ET - 2007/08/08
Seat 1: TheZadester (10,688)
Seat 2: Reazz319 (9,995)
Seat 3: DaveDiscount (29,956)
Seat 4: dipthrong (9,955)
Seat 5: SchaefMyAss (16,604)
Seat 6: Flipsyde70 (6,150)
Seat 7: skier_5 (7,404)
Seat 8: Caranqui (16,929)
Seat 9: fangus1 (3,455)
TheZadester antes 25
Reazz319 antes 25
DaveDiscount antes 25
dipthrong antes 25
SchaefMyAss antes 25
Flipsyde70 antes 25
skier_5 antes 25
Caranqui antes 25
fangus1 antes 25
Reazz319 posts the small blind of 140
DaveDiscount posts the big blind of 280
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skier_5 [Ac As]
dipthrong raises to 700
SchaefMyAss folds
Flipsyde70 folds
skier_5 calls 700
Caranqui calls 700
fangus1 folds
TheZadester has 15 seconds left to act
TheZadester calls 700
Reazz319 has 15 seconds left to act
Reazz319 calls 560
DaveDiscount folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 8s 8d]
Reazz319 bets 4,005
dipthrong has 15 seconds left to act
dipthrong raises to 9,230, and is all in
skier_5 ?????????

[shaundeeb]

don't fold.

[Foucault]

Pretty easy call. Which one you put on trip 8s, the guy who open shoves first to act or the UTG raiser?

[Bond18]

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don't fold.

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[WarDekar]

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don't fold.

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I'm not sure what you're afraid of, with the action PF is SB really shoving an 8 on the flop here?

UTG looks like he has KK/AQ/who the hell cares, but I'm pretty positive you need to call here.

[skier_5]

ok, cool.

I thought about it for 30 seconds and jammed. Just wanted to make sure.

Anyone care to speculate on a range for sb here?

[swede554]

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Anyone care to speculate on a range for sb here?

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Diamond draw, AQ-QJ, sometimes 8x I suppose

[ZJ123]

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ok, cool.

I thought about it for 30 seconds and jammed. Just wanted to make sure.

Anyone care to speculate on a range for sb here?

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8s, Flush draws and Queens. lol

[Proofrock]

It may not matter too much to the analysis, but SB isn't open-shoving -- he's using the ever so popular "bet pot" button, leading into 5 players on a Qd8d8 flop.

It doesn't change much in the hand, though, as calling is pretty much the only option on the flop.

By the way, why didn't you 3-bet preflop here? It seems like the best choice since you have no reads on the table and there are several people to act behind you.

[skier_5]

I cc bc 3betting him looks super strong and he folds a ton of his range that could hit a flop and stack off to me. Plus there were tons of people behind me that could do something stupid. I didn't really expect a whole lot of overcallers.

Anyways I did some stoving and it's pretty obvious what I should do:

Board: Qd 8d 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.927% 39.90% 01.03% 248243 6389.00 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 29.847% 28.24% 01.60% 175728 9968.50 { QQ+, AdKd, AQs, AdJd, AdTd, KdJd, KdTd, JdTd, Td9d, 98s, AQo }
Hand 2: 29.227% 28.63% 00.60% 178136 3702.50 { AQs, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, A8s, Ad7d, KQs, QJs, Jd9d, Td9d, T8s, 98s, 86s+, AQo, KQo }