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Old 09-10-2007, 07:51 PM
Copernicus Copernicus is offline
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Default Re: SWAT raid gone wrong.......

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They make mistakes constantly? Why did it take a 3 year old incident to spark the discussion?

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because people are all too happy to forget about it, and the warrents are sealed to protect informants identities, so even after the fact people who have been wrongly searched can't find out why, they just get a report that there was no wrong-doing by the police, the end.

"Just a few months before the raid in Sunrise, in March 2005, police on a drug raid in Omao, Kauai, Hawaii, broke into the home of Sharon and William McCulley, at home at the time with their grandchildren. Police were tracking a box that allegedly contained marijuana, and believed it to be in the McCulleys’ possession. After breaking down the elderly McCulleys’ door, police threw the couple to the ground. They handcuffed Sharon McCulley and held her to the floor with a gun to her head—her grandchild lying next to her. William McCulley —who uses a walker and has an implanted device that delivers electrical shocks to his spine to relieve pain—began flopping around the floor when the device malfunctioned from the trauma of being violently thrown to the ground.11
Police had the wrong address. In fact, they conducted a second “wrong door” raid before finally tracking down the package.12"

That's just one recent example. In the article linked above there are hundreds of examples from the last ten years, and the list is not all inclusive.

"After the New York City raid that killed Alberta Spruill, Police chief Raymond Kelly estimated that at least 10 percent of the city’s 450+ monthly no-knock drug raids were served on the wrong address, under bad information, or otherwise didn’t produce enough evidence for an arrest. Kelly conceded, however, that NYPD didn’t keep careful track of botched raids, leading one city council member to speculate the problem could be even worse"

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2 years ago for one, and 3 statistics combined into one on the other, where "not enough evidence for an arrest" is most likely the vast majority of them, and the way the system is supposed to work.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:18 AM
PLOlover PLOlover is offline
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Default Re: SWAT raid gone wrong.......

first of all, a no knock warrant shouldn't be issued for firearm violations. the whole no knock warrant premise is a drug war thing, that if you give the suspects a couple minutes warning they will flush the drugs down the toilet. you can't flush a gun down a toilet.

btw, this is why most high level police want drugs decriminalized, because it leads to stuff like this, where police have to burn down someones house so that they don't have time to flush.
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