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10-28-2007, 05:52 PM
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Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
I was wondering if it makes sense to not raise with AK preflop in an extremly loose game. The kind of game where a continuation bet on the flop will almost never take it down. Essentially, if you miss, you're probably going to lose the pot.
Opinions? Is this just results based thinking? 
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#2
10-28-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
I would say it's results based thinking. If it's extremely loose IMO just raise more than you usually would preflop. You want to be paid for your premium hands, and if the game is as loose as you say it is you will. Just make them pay more than they should to see cards
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#3
10-28-2007, 06:18 PM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
Most likely my adjustment would be to raise a greater amount here. If you're getting a lot of calls you're not getting much respect, try value betting pre 6 or 7 bb if you need to. You still want to cut the field down somewhat and punish them for their bad play as bet you can.
Also, you can't give up the pot every time you miss. If they're calling stations, then adjust accordingly but AK is still going to be ahead more often than not on most flops. If they're going to call your c-bets regardless, than even an unimproved AK is going to be ahead of their range on a lot of boards. In this type of game, just tighten up your hands a bit, and push your hands a little harder. Your ranges will be ahead of theirs most of the time... you're bluffs lose a lot of value but you can regain that through more aggressive value betting.
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#5
10-28-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
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By raising a greater amount with AK - one also tell the other players one has AK. They can thus play against one perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. There are plenty of times when I don't raise w/ AK. If I'm on the button and 3-6 have limped in, there's nothing wrong w/ seeing the flop cheaply. In limit though, I raise 100% of the time.
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10-28-2007, 09:58 PM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
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[ QUOTE ] By raising a greater amount with AK - one also tell the other players one has AK. They can thus play against one perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. There are plenty of times when I don't raise w/ AK. If I'm on the button and 3-6 have limped in, there's nothing wrong w/ seeing the flop cheaply. In limit though, I raise 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] hhhhhhhhahahhhahahahahahah hahahhahahaaaaaaaaahaha hahhahah ha. ha. hahaahah
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#7
10-29-2007, 07:03 AM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
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[ QUOTE ] By raising a greater amount with AK - one also tell the other players one has AK. They can thus play against one perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. There are plenty of times when I don't raise w/ AK. If I'm on the button and 3-6 have limped in, there's nothing wrong w/ seeing the flop cheaply. In limit though, I raise 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] How about cranking it up big time and making the limpers fold or pay waaay too much to see the flop? Taking a flop 4-7 way with AK is just about the worst way to play the hand.
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#8
10-30-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] By raising a greater amount with AK - one also tell the other players one has AK. They can thus play against one perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. There are plenty of times when I don't raise w/ AK. If I'm on the button and 3-6 have limped in, there's nothing wrong w/ seeing the flop cheaply. In limit though, I raise 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] How about cranking it up big time and making the limpers fold or pay waaay too much to see the flop? Taking a flop 4-7 way with AK is just about the worst way to play the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying never raise. But you have to mix it up. If you always raise w/ it, good players will know you DON'T have it if you don't raise. I mean c'mon. How many times do you see nits only raise p/f with pocket aces and you stack them because they overplay the hand? If you are playing $1/2 NL and 5 limp in and you make it $15-20 or whatever, a good player will see the raise for what it is. He'll call knowing whether or not the flop hit you. If you are in a passive game, you can limp in w/ position and bet if it's checked to you because you will have the best hand. And if someone has top pair on a K 9 5 board, they will chase to the river anyway because they won't put you on AK. Again, I'm not saying never raise w/ it. Occasionally. As in like 5% of the time.
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#9
10-30-2007, 10:45 AM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] By raising a greater amount with AK - one also tell the other players one has AK. They can thus play against one perfectly. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. There are plenty of times when I don't raise w/ AK. If I'm on the button and 3-6 have limped in, there's nothing wrong w/ seeing the flop cheaply. In limit though, I raise 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] seeing the flop cheaply with AK... there's a thought... why not limp with AA to get a cheap flop? someone might flop a set, maybe quads. also, might be better to just fold AK preflop. after all AK is just two cards, two random cards, not even a pair. i made up my mind. i'm folding AK preflop from now on.
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#10
10-30-2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: Don\'t raise AK preflop, ever acceptable?
holy f***ing [censored]. this forum is worst than i thought, this is an absolute abomination.
I'm being brutally honest here, everyone who posted in this thread almost assuredly sucks at poker. You might want to limit the amount of time you play casually, but there is a fundamental lack of knowledge surrounding the core basics of game concept generated by the players in this thread. You, all, are bad at poker. That is all. I'll be damned if one of my opponents ever says, "he raised, he must have AK." That's because I don't suck at poker, and I know the importance of image and meta-game.
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