How would you play my hand?

[ILOVEPOKER929]

This hand happened at Motor City Casino. It was a 10-20 full game but im posting it here cuz this is where I post the most frequently and I dont think it matters that much.

A total fish open limps in the HJ, folded to the SB who calls and I check it in the BB with Kh5c. The SB is a 2+2er and one of my best friends, his name is TheHip41, he was also running hot this evening but thats just how he rolls [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

3handed to the flop and it comes out 8h 5d 2h. TheHip41 bets, I raise and the fish calls and TheHip41 calls.

Turn is the Ah, TheHip41 bets out, and I raise.....

[ouyangl]

I wouldn't have even thought about the flop raise, but thinking about it, it seems right. Your trying to push out the fish so you can get it heads up.

Had it been heads up, that Ah would've been great and that Turn raise would've made a great semi-bluff. But Fish did call two cold. I think the turn here i would've jus called. It doesn't look like the fish is going anywhere if he's going to call 2 cold on the flop, he might possibly have the flush.

i'd jus go w/ a turn call and hope a K, 5 or heart hits

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I wouldn't have even thought about the flop raise, but thinking about it, it seems right. Your trying to push out the fish so you can get it heads up.

Had it been heads up, that Ah would've been great and that Turn raise would've made a great semi-bluff. But Fish did call two cold. I think the turn here i would've jus called. It doesn't look like the fish is going anywhere if he's going to call 2 cold on the flop, he might possibly have the flush.

i'd jus go w/ a turn call and hope a K, 5 or heart hits

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I raised the flop cuz I felt my hand was likely to still be best compared to TheHip41's betting range in that spot. I know that the hip will bet all OESD/FD's/gutshot dras/2x/5x/8x or better. So I raised the flop cuz there was still a good chance I was in the lead. I still thought my hand was better than the fishes so I was trying to get Thehip41 to fold a better hand, but I shouldve just called the turn.

[Tedesco Rides]

Unraised 3-handed pots with a fish left behind you, an ace on the board, and 3 to a flush on the board are not the times to get cute with 3rd pair.

Flop is OK. I think the turn is a clear muck.

Edit: I didn't see you had a redraw to the nuts. I still probably just call because you're probably behind, Hip usually isn't folding, the pot is small and I don't mind the fish padding it.

[ouyangl]

hes getting 5.5:1 w/ a total of 14 outs

no way am i folding here

[TheHip41]

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Unraised 3-handed pots with a fish left behind you, an ace on the board, and 3 to a flush on the board are not the times to get cute with 3rd pair.

Flop is OK. I think the turn is a clear muck.

Edit: I didn't see you had a redraw to the nuts. I still probably just call because you're probably behind, Hip usually isn't folding, the pot is small and I don't mind the fish padding it.

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he's got the nut flush draw on the turn. No folding allowed.

[Tedesco Rides]

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he's got the nut flush draw on the turn. No folding allowed.

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Nice job quoting my edit, but not actually reading it. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!

[waffle]

I call cause I'm a wuss. I think I'm behind and I don't see how raising improves my chances of winning

[ouyangl]

i think if it was heads up, this be'd a great time for the raise cause TheHip41 might be bet/folding

maybe the raise is good... Fish would have to have the flush to call 2 cold twice. and TheHip41 could very well be bet/folding

[Kwaz]

No guarantees the fish folds and a reasonable portion of Hip's range is 3betting (which you obviously have to call).

I don't think Hip is bet/folding his weaker hands (but stronger than yours) often enough (if at all) for this to be profitable. And I don't think your hand has anywhere near the required showdown value for this play.