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Old 08-13-2007, 01:15 PM
Indiana Indiana is offline
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Default $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

Seems I always have trouble with this spot. I flop a big draw and dont know what to do on the turn when he calls me on the flop. I dont know a lot about this opponent but he is a losing player on sharkscope:

Table '58144343 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Indyguy28 (2030 in chips)
Seat 2: LBChris10 (970 in chips)
Indyguy28: posts small blind 15
LBChris10: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Indyguy28 [Qs Ts]
Indyguy28: raises 40 to 70
LBChris10: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [2h 6s 7s]
LBChris10: checks
Indyguy28: bets 110
LBChris10: calls 110
*** TURN *** [2h 6s 7s] [Kc]
LBChris10: checks
Indyguy28: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h 6s 7s Kc] [9d]
LBChris10: bets 240
Indyguy28: folds
LBChris10 collected 360 from pot
LBChris10: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 360 | Rake 0
Board [2h 6s 7s Kc 9d]
Seat 1: Indyguy28 (button) (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: LBChris10 (big blind) collected (360)

I mean, do I fire at the turn or just shut down?

Thanks-Indy
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:20 PM
PrimordialAA PrimordialAA is offline
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

turn is a very good scare card, you still have a very viable draw, and if he is a losing player on SS he very well could have called w/ a low pair (making your Q and T both OK if he somehow calls the double barell), or also just calling with overs which he'll pitch all except the K or a hero call w/ A high, but I think i double barell that K almost 100% of the time
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:19 PM
Kalledrengen Kalledrengen is offline
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

There is no clear answer to your question. It's very player dependant. When you do not know your opponent, I would probably tend to check behind him on the turn aswell.

I would raise more PF though.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:48 PM
TheSalche TheSalche is offline
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

This is why early match play sucks. If he floats the flop a lot then the turn is an easy bet to get him to fold middle pair or worse. If he is a calling station then the turn is a clear check behind since you'll make more $ by hitting your hand rather than trying to use fold equity.

Since it's a very drawy flop you could stab at the turn again, but I think checking behind is fine too. It's close w/o reads, problem with firing again is that you can't call a raise or a shove really.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

it's also really important how villain will play on the river. if s/he will bluff a missed 89 (n/a to the OP but the idea is villain will stab after missing a draw and we show weakness on the turn) then i'd rather bet the turn and check-behind if i miss the river. if villain won't bluff it's easier to just check-behind and play the river correctly (this is especially true if villain is aggressive enough to float a check/raise AND our hand has a little more showdown value than this - like the A-high draw or 88). this has the disadvantage of cutting down our implied odds in the event we hit, and also not charging villain to draw to their maximum-10-outer (if they're open-ended and we don't have a pair) but if villain won't bluff the river with a missed draw (or even make very thing value bets) it'll often be worth it to slow down.

also struggling in this spot, tho [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

in a cash game I would bet this turn hard almost every time.
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Old 08-14-2007, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: $115 NLTRN common situation with a big draw

Without a read I would play it the same. The average unknown player is going to call too light on the turn and bluff that river too much when you check behind, so I think that is the best way to play it against him.
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