I 4bet with A8s

danicalifornia · #1 11-15-2007, 02:01 PM

Villain is 21/17/1.7 and seems to be a somewhat decent player.
He really came after me and was reraising my raises very frequently. Should I just have shoved preflop? Is 4betting here spew?
Is there any value in shoving on this board?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $229.15
Hero (BTN): $351.45
SB: $221.20
BB: $196.05
UTG: $219.45
MP: $102.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB folds, BB raises to $26, Hero raises to $64, BB calls $38

Flop: ($129) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero?

sh58 · #2 11-15-2007, 02:11 PM

not a great flop for shoving, also i like 4betting to about $70 here

i never know exactly what people call 4bets with. i never do it personally.

QQ's they tend to do it with.

sometimes slowplayed AA. maybe AK

i don't like really like folding with all the money in the pot though so i'm shoving here 50% of the time anyway. we have an A and runner runner spades if called

sightless · #3 11-15-2007, 02:23 PM

i like to shove 4bet pf in such spot

RUDIKULOUS · #4 11-15-2007, 02:25 PM

4betting heres fine, i probably just check behind and fold most turns though. He's not calling preflop to fold this type of board under most circumstances.

myke11 · #5 11-15-2007, 02:34 PM

i like shove alot better button vs blind.. this is okay though. def check behind... i prob wouldnt bet at anhyh point unless you hit an A

SamuraiJon · #6 11-15-2007, 02:54 PM

Abort seems like the best option here. I don't see the value of shoving. 21/14/1.7 calling a 4 bet just spells QQ+ according to his hand range. Unless you're dead sure he has AK and you can knock him off it, I say the shove on the flop is not gonna work.

tubasteve · #7 11-15-2007, 02:56 PM

i say check the flop, then shove if he checks the turn and its a fairly blank card

kaby · #8 11-15-2007, 02:58 PM

why is everybody talking about shoving? why not just bet like 75$ if we decide to bet (i'm not saying we should bet, but mb we should if we know his range is QQ+,AK)?

or is shoving everything when you are commited when you bet anyway standard? openshove AA here?

Speedlimits · #9 11-15-2007, 03:02 PM

call IP>4bet.

sightless · #10 11-15-2007, 03:34 PM

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call IP>4bet.

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not with a8s imo