1 Flop Fold, 1 River Fold?

[gaming_mouse]

First hand may be standard, just want a checkup.

30 online. Villain just sat. I open 66 OTB

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He c/r and I fold.

Same unknown villain in this second hand. I open KJo OTB.

K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He c/r and I call.

5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He bets, I raise, he calls.

4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He c/r and I ????

[gehrig]

id jam the flop or wait for the river in the 2nd one. if he has a 9 u dont lose much value and anything else it either doesnt matter or u should wait

[gaming_mouse]

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id jam the flop or wait for the river in the 2nd one. if he has a 9 u dont lose much value and anything else it either doesnt matter or u should wait

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What if he's on a draw?

Also, as played, do you fold the river?

[gehrig]

if he has a flush draw its pretty close and i dont think any analysis will show that either play is much better

if he has a gutshot or air u definently want to give him a chance to bluff river or make a pair in a small pot

if he has a king it doesnt matter

if he has a 5 its better to r/f river than r/c (or r/f) turn.

if he has a 9 u lose some value but not a ton. if the board comes such that hes gonna pay off a turn raise all the way hes gonna tend to vb river i would think. u also save money when he rivers u

edit: im assuming u just call a heart, 9 or a riv. q is close but prob worth raising

[gehrig]

i dont play these games but i think u should fold riv once he crs. i dont give anyone credit for being capable of turning a 9 or k into a bluff and u dont really beat anything else

[shockdaworld]

1st hand I fold 100% to unknown.

2nd hand I usually 3bet flop vs unknown (80%), the other times raise turn, and never wait till the river. I would pay off river c/r because I'm positive I've seen worse hands, whether bluffing or valuebetting, enough times to justify it. If the numbers actually work out, I don't know and I don't think I wanna know.

I think gehrigs wait til river plan is a headsup thing? cuz ranges are much wider

[gaming_mouse]

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i dont play these games but i think u should fold riv once he crs. i dont give anyone credit for being capable of turning a 9 or k into a bluff and u dont really beat anything else

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thanks for that analysis.

do you play only HU, or just higher?

[gehrig]

i just play hu

shockdaworld,

ranges wider = durrrrr hand good raise
ranges smaller = surgically extracting the max

[kiddo]

Fold first and call 2nd hand when he cr river, u badly need to see what he got so u can play better next hand. I dont like calling for info a lot, but against guys checkraising more then normal, I think its good.